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Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Guloluseus, Apr 7, 2021.

  1. MoggyM

    MoggyM FLM

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    Id find another range.

    Its not safe to have weapons of any type messed with. My ranges won't allow anyone to touch anything on the firing line except the people shooting.

    Last time someone picked up a rifle they were told it was their first and last warning.
     
  2. buffy vampire slayer

    buffy vampire slayer LOW BELLEND THRESHOLD

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    so,in your mind "practicality" trumps firearm safety then!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    and you're on the committee of this,so called,safety conscious club!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    if you can't shoot without getting interrupted,then perhaps you ought to run a shift system,whereby there is one committee man,who is not shooting that runs the affairs of the club when it's open.
    firearm safety is paramount and should NEVER,EVER BE COMPROMISED.
    end of.
    you should know better.
    I'll bet my Jacobs you do not leave your car keys in your ignition or your house doors open at night.
    don't try and make excuses for something that's happened that you should take ownership of.
    in conclusion,if you'd done this at a powder burning club, committee man or not, you'd be out on your @rse.
     
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  3. DSTM

    DSTM Engaging Member

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    I can't believe that you are openly admitting on a public forum to being a club committee member and that you regularly break the law AND that it seems to be the done thing at your club.

    Perhaps this thread should be removed as it not only marks yourself as a reckless gun owner who is unwilling to comply with the law, but it also makes your club looks bad too for allowing it.
    It also has a "tarred with the same brush" aspect for your fellow shooters who have a hard enough time with yobs and thugs making us look bad as it is never mind an experienced shooter and club member.
    It also doesn't do this forum any favours at all.

    @Guloluseus please seriously consider removing this topic!
     
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  4. Grey Man

    Grey Man Keyboard Hero

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    Touching a firearm without permission is an absolute no-no.

    Even at shows - where handling things is expected - I will look for a nod from the stallholder before I touch anything.
     
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  5. Guloluseus

    Guloluseus Very Active

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    Well, thats me told.
    this is something that has happened maybe 2 or 3 times in a year. Its not a regular occurrence, but it winds me up.
    Please, show me a club where this has never happened or range where this has never happened. And again, leaving a gun on the bench is not uncommon (see other posts where its been said). Usually we watch each others guns, but sometimes a friend wants to try and doesnt ask. Again, show me a club this doesn't happen at.

    as I'm obviously an irresponsible gun owner, I have decided to offer my resignation from committee and from the club. My RFD can probably move my guns for me, although it may take a while. Hopefully the club will find someone else to take on the work, but thats not my problem.
     
  6. 1260engineer

    1260engineer The Terminator's Armourer

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    :facepalm: took my toys at any time range or not and you will be wishing you had stayed in bed .
    A Weapon is a weapon you dont touch it unless you ask or are told to .
     
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    Quentyn Engaging Member

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    i have been watching this thread unfold in amazement... @Guloluseus if its your club and you are on the committee surely a rule change is whats needed ? make touching someone else's guns with out permission or good reason a reason to terminate membership ?
     
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  8. Wing Commander

    Wing Commander Keyboard Hero

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    Woodford Airgun Club is where this sort of disgraceful behaviour DOESN'T happen.
    Touching someone else's guns without their permission would very likely get you thrown out of the club.... and quite right too.
     
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    Alternatively, ignore the more vocal comments made from the safety of keyboard anonymity and as a committee member stand up and raise this as an issue at your club.

    To do this will have longer term benefit for your club than giving up because of what is said on here.

    Whilst it is true that you are ultimately responsible for your gear, equally it should be made clear to other members that touching without permission is a no-no.
     
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  10. DSTM

    DSTM Engaging Member

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    No absolutely do not do this, do not ignore the law please just accept that you made an error of judgment then learn from it and change what you do.

    Absolutely do this, the law has changed and as such our own standard practises must evolve with it

    What he says here makes sense and we all know it!
     
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    rockdrill Engaging Member

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    If I implied that meant ignoring any legislation that was applicable to the senario the OP described, I apologise, that was not the point I was trying to make.

    What I was implying was the OP should not feel insulted / disheartened / intimidated by the implied tone of some of the comments and give up because of them.
     
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    I am not quite liking where this thread is going. Yes i understand the safety issue from a club point of view but the original post was just outlining modern societies lack of respect for other peoples property unless i misread it. It now seems to have turned into a personal attack on the guy. Maybe a moderator could step in?
     
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  13. PmanUK

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    It is out of this world loopy to imagine that there are any clubs where unrestricted (read sub12) rifles are under constant supervision all the time. It's just not reality. As long as no unsupervised use of them by those underage then there is generally not a problem. It is different if we are talking about FAC rifles and powder burners.

    I have gotten to know @Guloluseus over fairly long time and is a very good friend of mine. Alex is kind enough to let anyone who treats his kit with respect have the pleasure of shooting it and I have tried so many of his rifles over our time at RPAC/NPAC and Addiscombe Rifle Club. There is an issue with sheer rudeness to pick up anything that belongs to someone else and not only make use of it but then to damage it in some way in the process of it! Everyone accepts that accidents happen but that is not the way of things to just pick up a rifle, shoot it and then damage it.

    Every club I have ever been to often has rifles on the side or table that are not actively being supervised - with the owner shooting a different rifle ( I mean who only takes one rifle to the range!), making a coffee having a toilet break etc. Sorry just doesn't happen. Again FAC or powder burning is slightly different and the rifles should be locked in cases or out of general access. It's a little different at my primary club as on nights when FAC is shot there is only other FAC holders there so this sort of thing simply would not happen.

    I've often said to Alex privately that he is too kind for his own good, and often being taken advantage of by members of either club especially with regard to some members and HW's *cough*

    Even at Pete's you regularly see rifles on racks in or out of cases. I would presume that is more of an issue as that is outside of a club environment and people are not checked so anyone can turn up! But inside a club environment, where people are police checked etc I would say that you have to be sensible about these things with sub 12's and it is not out of the realms of reality to expect you to be able to put a rifle on a table and leave it for 5 mins without it being damaged by someone who doesn't think anything of shouldering someone's rifle.
     
  14. HillBill

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    Thats what i said. The firearm part only comes into play if an offence is committed. In your example, tresspass.
     
  15. Victor Robert Allaway

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    It is a difficult area and I'm not sure that the issue of keeping an airgun secure from under 18 year olds is relevant as it is a storage requirement and, to my knowledge, has not been tested in court as to how far it extends. Certainly when thinking of the layout of most clubs I've visited, it is considered normal practise that a gun remains covered outside a controlled area. Usually there is an area as close as possible to the firing line within which one uncases and prepares the gun and this area comes under the range rules and control of the range officer. Unsafe handling, which to my mind includes handling an unfamiliar gun, has consequences under range rules, up to and including expulsion.

    I would take issue with a range officer who doesn't have one eye on the area behind the firing line. I would case and lock my gun if I were to leave the controlled area. However, it has made me think that perhaps I should fit a trigger lock when simply taking a break from shooting. Everything in life has some element of compromise. I had an interesting discussion with a RO about how a gun should be when placed on a rack or table behind the firing line. A PCP with its bolt open may be cocked just as a closed break barrel, but to leave either type open makes them vulnerable to damage. There is generally no way to make them visually safe without such vulnerability. My S400 I prefer to stand on its bipod with the bolt open but not cocked. If I had a break barrel, I'd probably rather put it in a slip than leave it with the breech open. The conclusion of the discussion was that there is no universal, correct way.

    Rob.
     
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  16. Byronic

    Byronic Good thing we are all different, eh?

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    I don't know any of the personalities involved but it seems to me that

    1) we SHOULD be able to leave our guns in a club unattended briefly without their being touched .
    2) I don't recall any issues with this in the only small bore club I ever attended - maybe for loo trips etc - decades ago so memory might be incomplete.
    3) equally if the OP is a Committee member then why not get the rules tightened up on this rather than discussing it on here?
    4) if this has happened once it is likely to happen again
    5) so the OP would be well advised to be more careful
    6) we absolutely should not have to but it seems to be the way of the world.

    Please don't over react @Guloluseus.
    Did you really not foresee that this might go in a direction other than complaining about kids today etc???

    Just my 2d
     
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    Bloody hell - it got a bit frosty in here.

    I know of 2 clubs that have rifle racks where you are allowed to leave your rifles unattended while they're not being used.
    ....... I can't see an issue with it.
     
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  18. rgc_swanseaARC

    rgc_swanseaARC He's not the Stig...He's the Stigs Welsh cousin

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    Yea i would not be happy with this at all.
    For a start its rude, and also potentially unsafe if its not a gun that someone has prior knowledge of.

    I let people try mine at ranges all the time. Some of them are a bit eye catching or non standard so of course they provoke interest. The only bit that bugs me is when people fiddle with your scope.
    I literally spend hours over many days perfecting a scope. Level to action, eye relief, plumb line, 1 click here or there, and then someone tries out one of your rifles and when its clearly not set for them goes fiddling with the adjustments on the scope and i have to start all over again...drives me bonkers.
     
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  19. rabbitwrecker

    rabbitwrecker Black Latex Matters...

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    I never go to clubs or ranges...
     
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    It's just wrong , to go to a club , pick up someone's gun , without asking .
    I use to go to a HFT club , but nothing like that ever happened.
    For some to scratch , someone else's pride and joy , Is just not acceptable. Criminal damage, springs to mind .

    As your a committee member , I'd ban those for touching, picking up without asking .
    You can't help being called away , don't blame yourself , for others stupid actions .
     
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