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Gun carrying question?

Discussion in 'Firearms Certificate (FAC) Guns' started by neiled, Jul 15, 2014.

  1. neiled

    neiled Donator

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    On one of my permissions I have to park my car on the main road and walk about 50 yards on the public highway before entering my permission through a gate. I carry my rifle in a gunbag over my shoulder but once through the gate I remove the rifle and hide the gunbag in thick undergrowth against the hedge as I don't want to carry it whilst walking long distances.

    Having to hide my gunbag isn't ideal so what's the lawful position in me removing the gun from the gunbag at the car and walking the 50 yards with an unloaded rifle slung over my shoulder? Can I do it or am I breaking the law?
     
  2. r10hunter

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    You are not breaking the law but will maybe attract unwanted attention on a main road.

    Can you get your other half to make a light weight slip from some very thin cotton.
    You can put your gun in the light weight slip then in your proper gun slip to transport the gun.
    Carry the gun onto your permission in the light weight slip then fold it and put it in your pocket.
    Cheers Andy
     
  3. Picklehoffer

    Picklehoffer Ministry of Foolishness

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    Hi,

    Section 19 Firearms Act deals with possession of firearms in public places....it states "A person commits an offence if without lawful authority or reasonable excuse, he has with him in a public place;
    A loaded shotgun
    An air weapon whether loaded or not
    Any other firearm together with ammunition suitable for use with that firearm
    or
    An imitation firearm.

    So, assuming you have the relative FAC for your rifle (and I'm sure you do!).....walking from the car to the perm is fine because you have "reasonable excuse".
    "Lawful Authority" provides for authorised firearms police officers and the military etc....don't get it confused with "reasonable excuse".

    A word to the wise though....although perfectly lawful under the above circumstances, be aware of public perception of a chap walking along the road with a rifle on his shoulder and be prepared to be very calm and cool if the cops turn up in 3 Volvo T5's! ;). Personally, I'd always carry my FAC (not a copy), my public liability insurance certificate and maybe written permission to shoot from the landowner. You may also think about ringing your local police on 101 and ask them to log the fact that you'll be doing it and what times etc.

    I know there are people who will tell you you don't have to do any of that stuff and sod the coppers.....and they're right. HOWEVER, I guarantee that if you do do the above, if the cops turn up, you'll be on your way in no time at all and not kept waiting whilst the nice armed officers check it all out ;)

    Atb

    Neil
     
  4. Kenbarcon

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    There was someone on here doing the gun slips earlier this year if i remember correctly, good quality and cheap.
     
  5. Picklehoffer

    Picklehoffer Ministry of Foolishness

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    I can run up lightweight gunslips....no problem. Nice and cheap too, PM me :D

    Neil.
     
  6. neiled

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    Once again lads thanks for the replies, excellent and very helpful as always.

    Actually I always call the non-emergecy 101 police number before I shoot at this particular perm to get a reference number as quite a few people walk their dogs in one area of the fields.
     
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    We used to leave our bags hidden in thick brush until some skally gits were watching us and nicked them whilst we were on the other side of the perm! Thin bag or I can actually get my car onto the perm now so I can leave it all in the boot :)
     
  8. Chinnymonster81

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    Think bisley or napier make a lightweight one you just roll up and clip to your belt.
     
  9. Samon

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    My local RFD told me its illegal to carry an air rifle in public without a cover/bag.. According to him the laws changed a few years back.

    I have a hard time believing this and although I've read for myself the law could someone help clarify what he meant and if he's right?

    Fuz I have a potentially sweet perm coming up and I really need to be sure. I will get a slip, no questions there but legally needing one? I'm not so sure.
     
  10. r10hunter

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    Legally if you have a valid reason to be in public with the gun, you don't need it in a slip, even if the gun is in a slip you need a valid reason to have it in public.
    BUT.
    Obviously you need to think about what you are doing. while crossing the road from one field to the next at your permission members of the public will see a man rabbit shooting.
    But loading the gun into your car at your house in the town people will see a terrorist.

    Always use a slip if possible. But you can legally cross a road at your permission ect without a slip if you must.
    Cheers Andy
     
    Last edited: Jul 20, 2014

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