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Bad news Gows have Vanished.. so has my rifle!!!

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by G_Cam, Feb 28, 2014.

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  1. G_Cam

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    Long story ... but basically..

    Gows in Dundee had my Theoben Evo in for repair.
    They have gone bust.. and after contacting the police, FAC holder of the 'remain' stock and failing to find the receiver/liquidator... It looks like my gun has gone missing/been stolen or sold!!!

    I have obtained legal advice and I'm looking at a civil action against the directors.. (as Gows was Limited apparently this is the only course of action I can take... but they are double checking the Scottish law on this for me). The police cant give me a crime number yet as there is an ongoing investigation (and I do not think I'm along from what I gather).. and until they explore all the avenues they can only confirm it as 'missing'... and part of the investigation! Oh Great!

    Any idea where I go from here?

    It is not a 10 a Penny gun... but what are the chances of getting it back? Or has anyone been in the same situation?

    Thanks all
     
  2. jesim1

    jesim1 Kit bitch to the Stars

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    Really sorry to hear this, it's a difficult pill to swallow. Is there a receipt from them for taking the gun in to prove they had it? It may be worth contacting your insurance company as many have cover for "sports equipment" being lost or damaged - worth asking?

    James
     
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    Thanks James
    The gun was in and out several times... but I have the original receipt for the work and my credit card payment.
    I spoke to the gunsmith who actually repaired it (he is also holding the FAC guns from the shop).. and I was able to describe exactly what work he was asked to do and he confirmed he had done it and returned it to the shop.. no-one bar me, the gunsmith and the shop staff would be able to describe the rifle. I have given the police a description of the gun and they are enquiring about it... it is easy for me to spot it if it comes up for sale, but it appears if they have sold it (without my permission) I need to take civil action against the directors...

    Graham
     
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    Does your credit card insurance cover this?? Just thinking of options for you as this sucks big time.....
     
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    were do you stand legally if the gun is still on your ticket and its not in your possession and its not in there possession and you don't have a valid receipt for it, maybe worth getting legal advice
     
  6. Clubshot

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    If a Fire Arm you must have a Receipt for Repair ?

    If unable to get Shop to reply or their Agents

    Advise Police that your Fire Arm - is No loger under your control - Was being repaired / serviced - But Shop no longer Active.

    Best Of Luck

    BOB/R
     
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    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Jesus H Christ, am I ever glad I used KevG!!!
     
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    I have spoken to the police. They did not give much away.. but the long and short of it is...
    There is an 'On-going investigation' they will add my gun in to the mix (I thus assume I'm NOT ALONE!)
    They cannot issue a crime number (which the Insurance company require) as not crime has been committed. the gun may be somewhere and is yet to be discovered! And apparently even if they DID sell it .. I would need to pursue a Civil Claim (which the Insurance company will cover) to recover the goods or £ to the value.
    Even if they have sold it... and I can find who bought it I cannot recover it.. IF it was bought in 'good Faith'! As it was described to me ... if it was sold at 'market value' and the buyer was not made aware that it was not Gows to sell I cannot recover it as it was in 'Good faith'!
    The only option is to pursue the company and the Directors... but as it is a Ltd Company that has gone into liquidation I have been advised that even if I win a Civil case I may no get the gun back or any £ compensation!


    I have the original receipt for the work.. but it was back in twice as it was still not working as it should! so no receipt for that... but the gunsmith that repaired it can confirm it was my gun due to the very specific nature of the repair undertaken. It is not a common gun.. and you would need to own it to describe the detail around the gun and the repair... so the Police DO believe the gun was mine as they can gain corroboration from the gunsmith

    it may not be Illegal to sell my goods ... but it is Immoral!!!

    So that is why I'm a tad P***ED off!
    sorry all - not your issue..
     
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    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    If they knowingly sold the gun they are guilty of theft as they have deprived you of the gun or it's monetary value! You can have the directors arrested for theft!
     
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    whitevanman574 bell target champion

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    kevs the best have you ever met him in his rhubarb and custard shed :D


    Doncaster kev ??? or theoben kev g lol
     
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    Thanks

    If that is the case I will defiantly pursue that route.
    It may stop them form being able to be directors in future if they have a criminal record!
    Might not get me my gun or any £ but I dot think they should be allowed to get a way with it.
     
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    whitevanman574 bell target champion

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    one minute are you telling me an fac gun has gone missing and the shop does not know where it is ????? or the police????
     
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    Mine was not a FAC - it was a Theoben

    but (reading between the lines... and I may be 100% wrong)... I'm not alone.
    It is Odd, to say the least that some of the 'stock' was handed over to a registered dealer.. but as mine was not a FAC it is no-where to be seen!
    The Police are investigating..

    It is also 'odd' that I cannot find out who the receiver is?
    I have found out that the owner of the property only got back the keys to a TOTALLY empty shop!

    So there could conceivably be companies out there who supplied goods to Gows but never received payment etc... especially if any goods were on a Sale or return basis!
     
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    whitevanman574 bell target champion

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    I wouldn't leave it at that ,I would want him arrested for theft . not only that if the police do not buck up there ideas I would email the IPCC and say where is it ,im sure they would love to know ,
    also the question you should be answered to is this ....................

    the serial number is logged to you ............ what happens if a crimes committed with that gun ................ because the gun shop would of definitely took note of serial numbers
     
  15. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Theoben KevG is in Doncaster!
     
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    whitevanman574 bell target champion

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    I know he buzzes of me ........... making sure same kev mate
     
  17. Clubshot

    Clubshot Clubshot

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    On Monday - Check with Trading Standard - Link normally on their - Local Authority web site

    They can advise you on goods witheld if a company's goes down

    And been issues before - Expect they will have a file - listing Directors and Associates

    Would have had a better chance had it been a Registered FAC Gun -

    BOB/R
     
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    Also how many times have we heard of people being sold stolen cars in good faith and having the car taken off them and given back to the owner or insurance co. Why should it be different with a rifle or anything else that's been stolen?
     
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    It is no different as far as theft is concerned, however the car scenario only works as they have found the car and so have it in custody so to speak. They would have to find the gun first to be able to do this.
     
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    In other words the police are telling the OP a load of balls, the gun can be recovered from any purchaser as it is the OP's gun. It is then up to the person who purchased it from Gow's to get their money back from the receiver.

    Just the police tell the OP what is easiest for the police to deal with, not necessarily what is legally correct!
     
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