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Go Fac Or Stay With Sub 12?????? Help!

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Mike Watkins, Mar 19, 2019.

  1. Mike Watkins

    Mike Watkins Woodgate Mike.

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    Hi all. Daddy or Chips, Daddy or Chips??

    I’m looking to buy a Brocock Compatto Sniper R but I am undecided as to whether to have a sub 12ft-lb or an FAC. I’m not looking for the pros and cons of the Compatto, that decision has already been made, it’s the pros and cons of having an FAC one. I have several permissions so would use it for vermin control be it up in the trees or on the ground but I just can’t make my mind up as to which one to get?????

    I speak to some who say yes go for it but then others, with what seem like good arguments, say no, don’t do it you’ll be mightily disappointed! What say you guys? More cons than pros, or the other way around. Confused of Ludlow needs your help!
     
  2. gasman

    gasman How do they know I've got Gas?

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    If you have use for one get one :up:
     
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    I've debated this many times over the years and stuck with sub12.
    I suppose it does hinge to a point on whether you already have FAC and your land is cleared for FAC air, or whether you're considering applying.
    Many use and rate FAC air. If I was going to go FAC it would be powder
    Tree work I'd definitely stay sub12
     
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    Thanks for the comments and you make a very valid point about high level shooting, something I hadn’t thought about. A lot of my vermin control are squirrels and pigeons so that could be very doggy. I think that’s another ‘X’ on the cons side!
     
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    I'd go FAC air as supposed to powder, but that's because i prefer air rifles. FAC air doesn't really give you much more range but it does much more forgiveness. Miss the head of a rabbit and chances are the rabbit will still go down, whereas sub 12 you have an injured animal. Engine room shot a bird and it will not be getting up as the pellet will easily penetrate through all bone etc. None of this however is any excuse for poor fieldcraft or poor marksmanship.
    My main consideration would be is my perm solid enough (as in long term) that i will not lose it
     
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    Hmmm OK, do you already have an FAC? Didn’t think I would visit this again but my FAC HW100 sits perfectly in between sub 12 and rf. Some of the rats at the pony yard are too big for sub 12 unless you take a running jump at them and smack them with the butt. :laff:

    Didn’t want to use the SIG with subs as they are a big heavy bullet going slowly and they ping around concrete barns like a bitch (even with CB longs not a good idea!). So the 24.5ft/lbs with 18gn JSBs makes them go bye byes - one shot. If I miss the pellets turn themselves inside out and no biggy.

    So personally (like an ex smoker) I’m an ex “don’t bother with FAC air just use CB longs” to now - “it definitely has a place in your vermin control line up!”.
    Some would argue that higher powers (35ft/lbs and up) can replace rf and maybe in some places I can now see that it might. Not for me but I’m not a professional vermin controller, if I were then I might go somewhere along the FX impact that can be immensely powerful but be turned down to use where that amount isn’t appropriate.
     
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    The benefits of FAC Air in my view are slightly increased range and you can shoot much heavier pellets that perform better in the wind.

    I use to be a rf man and scoff at fac air, I now own two and am very happy with them. Most modern fac guns can vary the power, including the compatto if I am not mistaken, accordingly why not apply as the worst that can happen is they say no, although in my experience the police seem rather blasé about fac air not realising some of the larger calibre guns are now very powerful ie 50 to 100ftlbs.

    As Shakespeare use to say, better to have applied for your fac air and been rejected than to have never applied at all.
     
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    For what it's worth I've been shooting sub 12ft/lbs for many years. Pest control shooting rats, corvids and squirrels with the odd rabbit and using a very nice BSA R10 in .177 Recently I have gone FAC and have an FX impact in .25 :) holy crap what a difference. If you have the ground go for it you won't regret it.
     
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    Am I correct in saying in order to get FAC air you have to apply for a full FAC licence and list the fact that you will only use FAC air rifles?
     
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    FAC will only cover specific categories that you apply for @BigSteve#72 . :)
     
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    I've recently applied for my shot gun grant to ad another string to my bow on my pest control farm permission. Starting to wonder if I should have also applied for my FAC and just stated the fact that I would only be interested in FAC air :facepalm:
     
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    Assuming you already have the FAC then I would personally go for for this option as IIRC the Compatto has variable power settings allowing you the flexibility to chose power level to the varying needs of different scenarios and conditions.
     
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    You could've done that but having this under your belt when you apply for your FAC will only help your cause so it's all good bud.
     
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    Hi my friend, I don't already have a FAC - I just didn't realise you could specify FAC air on the application.
     
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    That was @ the OP bud. :p
     
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    Rather than reply individually can I just say a really big thank you to all your comments and thoughts which have tilted me back to having the FAC rated gun. The main reason being that as was pointed out the Compatto has three power levels so high power need only be used when appropriate.

    In answer to some, yes I already have the FAC license and am cleared to purchase a FAC air rifle. Little unsure though of the procedure for registering the gun? Do I have to register first then buy or.......? Anyone know how it’s done.

    Thanks again everyone.
     
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    You have a slot on your ticket yes? presumably .22 or above.

    Walk into a dealer who has the gun you want on the shelf, hand over your money, the dealer enters it onto your certificate, you then notify your licensing dept within 7 days, simple.

    If you have an FAC you must have done this already?
     
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    Many thanks for that and yes, I have a slot on my license which was granted last year, but have not yet purchased a gun. I have many sub 12’s but this is my first foray into FAC-Air. Thanks again.
     
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    Okay sounds great, what caliber FAC AIR?
     

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