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General license question...

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Andytattoo, Apr 18, 2014.

  1. Andytattoo

    Andytattoo Donator

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    Hi guys,
    Yesterday there was a post about a guy who shot a pigeon in his garden and the GL was mentioned? Then the post was deleted...i have rats in the garden eating through lots of stuff and have some great shooting chances as they are using my garden as a run to another location, surely this isnt in breach of the license or should i just use poison? Dont want to break the law so thought id ask you good people.

    all the best

    Andy
     
  2. Jackroadkill

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    General license only applies to bird species - make sure your pellets stay within your boundaries, and if within 50 feet of the centre of a highway ensure that no injury, interruption or fear is caused by your shooting and bash those rats good.
     
  3. Andytattoo

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    they are using my shed to run through and i can shoot from inside the garage so the pellet has absolutely no chance of leaving, we get lots of mice aswell but they all do damage. is it ok to shoot these?
     
  4. Kyska

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    Shoot them, fill your boots, bloody things.
     
  5. Andytattoo

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    Thats great news, not so good for them then. I have been storing my ground baits in the shed and they have been helping them selves , when i moved a few bags earlier a rat and i think a small mouse bolted across the shed and out the door and across the bottom of the small wall they use as a run....ill get some food down and see what i can get (ground bait is now stored in buckets with lids)

    all the best

    Andy
     
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    Thanks, while I understood you can not shoot the big fat woodie that's just landed on your rear lawn, I did not know the GL applied only to birds.
    So if a bunny came a hopping on my lawn and (all of the reasons were held to in Jackroadkill's post), I could shoot it and eat it?
    I would be amazed if the answer came back as yes you can, as I thought we lived in the United Kingdom of 'no you can't!
     
  7. r10hunter

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    Yes that's fine!

    So long as,
    You kill it in a humane way, or if you don't kill it in a humane way it was not intention or neglect that caused it to suffer.
    Your pellets don't leave your garden.
    And you are not within 50 feet of the centre of the highway causing injury interruption ect .
    The general licence does not apply to birds that have seasons. If a pheasant walks into your garden in the season you can shoot and eat it no problem.

    Cheers Andy
     
  8. bunny basher

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    i have to say that i have shot some pigeons in my garden as i grow veg and keep chickens so i cant have these birds coming in and helping them selves to my stuff chicken feed and veg but it is only half a dozen a year most of them don't bother and i feel that i am in the right for doing so
     
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    General legal advice is that it is not allowed. If you contact your shooting organisation they will tell you that as a veg patch can be netted it is illegal to shoot pigeons that are damaging it.
    The whole thing is a very grey area though. If you feel in your circumstance you are within the law carry on. But take care you are sure.
    The general licences look to be getting a lot tougher to comply with as from the 1st January.
    Cheers Andy
     
  10. Picklehoffer

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    r10hunter is spot on.

    In short, ALL BIRDS in England are protected by law, however, the General Licence allows the humane killing of certain (pest) species if all lawful efforts have failed or are impractical.

    Here's a link to Natural England's website explaining it fully.

    http://www.naturalengland.org.uk/Images/wml-gl04_tcm6-24149.pdf

    You don't have to apply for a general licence, but you DO have to comply with the terms and conditions.

    Good thread, this one! :up:
     
  11. Andytattoo

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    so as i understand it, rodents are fair game but birds are not, i have chickens aswell and lots of veg in a fairly large garden, i have nets over the crops but birds still manage to get through, i have no intention of shooting birds in the garden as my permissions have enough to keep freezer full but the law says i cannot as i must use prevention methods? what if these fail? i know its a grey area but trying to understand as i had a pigeon caught in the net once and i killed it and i dont want to go to jail lol
     
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    If you have tried every method of deterrent and it has failed, then maybe (and only maybe; it's a grey area, as these things are wont to be...) shooting would be legal.
     
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    This is where it gets messy, you can shoot birds to prevent 'serious damage to crops', the spirit of the licence means crops that are grown to feed the country and export, not cabbages in a back garden, but this isn't written as clearly as that.
     
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    That's a better way of explaining it than my attempt!
     
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    i understand what your saying , so its ok for farmers to protect what they grow but when i save myself money and grow my own reducing my waste etc i cant get the same priveledges? and dont get the right to protect my crop? good old united kingdom

    andy
     
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    Well, as we said, it's a grey area. Whether the law would come down on your side is, literally, anyone's guess.
     
  17. Andytattoo

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    thats what i was getting at, its grey area for us that want to do our bit and not worth the hassle in my opinion.they can live for free off my land but im going to shoot more up the farm now lol
     
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    Thats something for you to bring up with natural England, in perspective, our farm lost a estimated 4 thousand (it's been estimated ten times that some years depending on crop!) from pigeon and rabbit last year, that's with intensive pest control, every farm that loses that or more and you see harvested crop prices go up, exporting is compromised, that's not the same as losing 3 quid on damaged leeks in your back garden.

    Im not patronising you, it's illegal to shoot any wild bird in this country, the legal exceptions are there for a good reason, it's a balance of preventing people from pot shotting in a back garden, and protecting the agricultural business of the whole country. Both are very far removed from each other.

    Ive always said, if YOU feel as though you are complying to the GL, go ahead and shoot.
     
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    I think it's great that this forum is so receptive to the GL, it sets us apart.

    Importantly, to me, the GL is negated by the fact that we should ALL know, shooting a wild bird (Blackbird, robin, pigeon, whatever) in a garden as it's going about it's business to survive is wrong, that's the difference between what I call 'shooters' and people 'who shoot'.
     

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