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Gamo Black Bear - Very Dissapointed

Discussion in 'Airgun Reviews' started by mikegr, Oct 7, 2019.

  1. mikegr

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    Hello to all, new member here.

    I was looking for my first air rifle, after some experience with air pistols only.

    So while searching for an introductory level rifle and trying to avoid first buyer's mistakes (cheap made guns promising astonishing speeds etc) i opted for a Gamo, specifically a new model called Black Bear.

    Now, i wouldn't call this a review as i did less than 10 shots. However i noticed some inconsistency in power. While i was browsing online, i found this video which was a bit shocking, probably i wouldn't buy the rifle if i had seen this earlier.
    You can watch it from 2:30 and 4:30 and tell me what you think,

    Regards
    Mike

     
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    Well the video in a foreign language so i don't not what he's saying and therefore it's difficult to comment,but if the gun in the video is new it's probably what's only to expected of a cheap springer.
    Spring guns will need at least a couple of hundred shots through them to make them consistent not 10 or 15 as in the video and the fact the many new spring guns come from the factory poorly lubricated i.e often they're either over lubricated,to much grease or the opposite virtually no lube.
    The fact that some of the shots over the chrono were within a few metres of each other shows that there is some consistency there and the reason why some of the other shots were widely different may be down to guns newness,assuming it's functioning as it should but it could also be down to a damaged piston seal. It's not unknown for the lip of them to get damaged when the piston is inserted into the rifle.
    If that rifle was stripped down i wouldn't be unduly surprised to find that the lip of the piston seal may be slightly damaged and/or that a proper careful re-lube might improve things.
    As for testing or appraising a gun's accuracy shooting from the standing position is the last thing you'd do as it's the most unstable position to shoot from.If you going to appraise a gun's accuracy you need to do it bench rested and with a spring gun using what is known as the 'artillery hold',neither of which the guy in the video was doing and with a scope fitted not just open sights.
    If that gun or yours was stripped out and the piston seal checked to make sure it isn't damaged i.e has no nicks etc and was then reassembled with the correct lubrication if everything inside was okay then i'm fairly certain the gun would perform better,more accurately but don't expect the same level of accuracy that guns costing much more may or will provide.
    Take it for what it is an cheap/inexpensive plinking rifle intended for back garden plinking/informal target shooting, a fun gun in other words. If you want and expect serious accuracy from an air rifle you're going to have to pay more,possibly a lot more, than you paid for the Gamo.
    As for the video well the best i can say it's not a proper example of a gun's appraisal so i wouldn't hold much score in that.
    There are a plethora of videos on YouTube giving inaccurate,unwise or wrong information by some of these and quite frankly are just a bloody waste of time.
     
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    Gamo claims that IGT technology ensures all shots will have the same power/energy. I guess that is a myth?

    For accuracy i need definitely to test it more so i wont comment at the moment.

    I really wonder about the max speed recorded on video, 122m/sec, while gamo claims 270. Can be really such a difference?
     
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    The maximum pellet speed quoted by manufacturers is usually with lightweight non lead pellets.
    Another factor here is that the video is German? Germany has much lower power limits for airguns.
     
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    Be it a gas ram (IGT) or spring gun neither will become consistent until they've bedded in which as i said will probably take a t least a couple of hundred shots possibly more.
    The Gamo claim for 270 mtrs per second is possibly for the non restricted or higher power versions available in other countries not for the 12ft.lbs (16 joules) version sold in this country.
    Or as TimmyTree says might be when used with very light non lead pellets such as the Gamo Raptor which weigh about 5grns in .177 and 9grns in .22.
     
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    I don't think there are restrictions where im based as i ve seen more powerful guns available for sale , so i just think Gamo is too ambitious on the performance of their gun.
     
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    A quick search found this.

    Gamo claims a maximum muzzle velocity of 1200 fps for the Whisper with PBA (alloy) pellets. The HAM test showed a maximum average muzzle velocity of 1157 fps with Gamo Raptor Platinum PBA pellets
     
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    In case i need to power it up do you think i can upgrade it with a piston kit from another model?
     
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    What “power” is it currently putting out ?
     
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    You haven't said where you're based and i assumed you were based in this country,is that not the case?
    If as TimmyTree says the video is German i.e it was produced in Germany then the gun will indeed have a much lower muzzle velocity as the power limit in Germany is only 6ft.lbs which equates to about 7 joules half of what it is in this country and much less than many other European countries. What MV/ME is your gun producing anyway as you haven't said all you've is done is referred us to video or someone else's gun which is rather irrelevant if you've doubts or a problem with your gun.
    Might help if we knew where you're based and what the power limit if any was there.
     
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    Thanks for the answer

    I am based in Greece and as far as i know, there are no restrictions in airguns, all are considered legitimate as long as being sold to adults. So i expect from this gun the maximum performance. In the market, there is also available the Artemis 1600GT which claims to be the most powerfull(1600fps) but i skipped it since i didn't want to deal with chinese made airguns, at least in this price range.

    What made me suspicious with this gun is that on my first hunting experience (the main reason i bought it) and on an evening ambush manage to shoot a rabbit at a close range of 8-10 meters. The rabbit got away, probably not even been penetrated. I used Excite Coppa pellets.

    I really dont know if i should take the gun to the dealer for inspection or if i do something wrong.
     
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    Forget the quoted pellet speed, you won't get anywhere near that unless you are using PBA pellets and they are usually rubbish for accuracy. Try some decent domed pellets from JSB, AA and H&N. Just lead, no gimmicky, fancy rubbish. Then try a good session at targets to establish what the accuracy is like before trying to shoot live quarry. If it's still unsatisfactory then take it back. As regards the Chinese rifles, they probably have a better reputation than Gamo springers.
     
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    Well even a gun that was only putting out 6ft.lbs muzzle energy as in Germany at the range you quoted i.e 8-10 mtrs,assuming that's an accurate distance, would have sufficient power to kill a rabbit if and it's a big if you hit it in the correct place. There's only one place you should attempt to kill a rabbit when using an air rifle and that is in the head between the eye and the ear,anywhere else will result in a non fatal shot and a runner and a wounded animal possibly to die later depending on where you hit it,and that is almost certainly what you did i'm sorry to have to say.
    If you're going to shoot live quarry you need to be absolutely certain of a few important things:
    a, make sure the gun that you're using has sufficient power and accuracy,
    b,you have sufficient marksmanship, by that i mean you can place your shots inside a circle the size of a 1pence piece(20mm) and you are confident and familiar with holdover and hold under at ranges other than which you sight is set at. You are using a scope i take it as open sights unless it's at close range are unsuitable
    Sorry to have to say this but you've committed a few cardinal sins:
    a,you've bought a new gun that you're not familiar with and having little or no experience with air rifles hasn't helped,
    b, you haven't given the gun a chance to bed in and settle down and become relatively consistent and you haven't tried to find which pellet gives the best accuracy in that particular gun as finding the best pellet can make a substantial difference to how the gun performs,
    c, you haven't spent sufficient time acquainting yourself with the gun and honing your marksmanship to the standard i mentioned above.
    All which you should have done before even contemplating trying to shoot rabbits or any other live quarry.
    A body shot even with a higher powered air rifle will often result in a runner which will be lost in under growth perhaps or will managed to escape back down its burrow before dying, even when hit in the heart/lung area,so its head shots only and only then when you have sufficient marksmanship otherwise you'll probably end up shooting it in the jaw or some other non fatal area.
    Forgive me if i'm wrong but it sounds as if you've tried to run before you can walk or toddle even.
    I say this mainly as advice rather then criticism.
     
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    thanks for the advice.
    Today i started practicing at 10 meters distance. I noticed that all pellets where landed 5 to 6 inches right below the target. Can you advice how to adjust my optics to correct it?
    I do have a visual scope but i will use it in the future.
     
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    This group is made from 8 meters distance. What do you think? Can it get better?
     

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    Take it back, that is awful.
     
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    First air rifle , what would be FAC level here , break barrel & iron sights , AND it’s a Gamo , I’d say well done for getting on the card at all :D
     
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    Maybe a little sympathy and understanding might not be amiss here? Not everyone has access to the kind of kit we have in the UK or the information on what is good and what should be avoided.
    Mikegr, return that rifle to the dealer, high powered springers are notorious, Gamo springers are about the worst. Despite you having no power limits you would be better buying a rifle at a lower limit. We take rabbits at up to 45 yards with sub 12ftlbs and expect sub 20mm groups at 30 yards with .177 quality pellets. I would expect a Chinese springer to outperform your Gamo every day. Something from Air Arms or HW in a springer will be the best but they are expensive, they will be accurate and consistent though as long as you do your practice and use only quality pellets, not copper coated, X headed rubbish with silly names. I hope you get properly sorted soon.
     
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