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gamekeeping apprenticeship needed

Discussion in 'General chit chat' started by AirArms456, Mar 2, 2014.

  1. AirArms456

    AirArms456 Junior Member

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    Just wondered if anyone knows of anyone willing to train an apprentice in the art of gamekeeping, either in Lancashire or in the Colchester region

    Thanks

    Isaac
     
  2. stevemandm

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    not familier with the area isaac, but good luck in your search. have you tried google, local papers or even asking around locally ?
     
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    Hhhhhmmmmm is 40 told old to be an apprentice I quite fancy the idea of game keeping, well maybe just in the summer anyway :)
     
  4. Pidlar

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    Perhaps letters of enquiry to all the head Keepers on all of your local estates may a good start,there may be an NVQ for it these days,there are for most things.
    Best of luck with your search.
    Regards,Stu
     
  5. Honest Bob

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    http://www.gamekeeperstrust.org.uk/ Try this for some pointers in the right direction. Atb. Bob
     
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    There was some information in the last edition of BASC magazine that related to young gamekeepers if you can get hold of a copy?

    I'd send you mine but I used it as a pellet stop (no argos mags available)
     
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    I've got about 15 Argos books in the shed, but I suppose the postage would be a killer:D:D
     
  10. Honest Bob

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    Yet another one that may be of help, http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/208505-gamekeeping-estate-courses/ The local job center may be able to help, putting pen to paper and contacting local estate managers and game keepers, offering to help as a beater etc, could help to get your foot on the ladder. Atb with your quest, if you have the passion and determination, you will get there. It is a hard life, but a good life. Bob.
     
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    I bought a funnel pellet trap but blew the bottom off it after 6 pellets (bad weld) at least the seller gave me a refund, just got to weld it properly now! ;)
     
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    I used to use a funnel trap, all the lead collected in a bucket for a mate for fishing weights.

    It was the noise for the neighbors that concerned me, as the traps make to much noise. Argos books are pretty silent and free:)
     
  13. Andy-K2

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    I was offered a position 30 odd years ago by the farmer of the permission I shot on, the game keeper was retiring and a position would be open. The pay was low but there was a cottage/land rover and bills included. I would have had to complete an Agricultural and Fisheries course at the local college but that would have been no hardship. I didn't take it as my live in girlfriend (now my wife) didn't want to be cut off from friends and city life.... Cut off, this place was in Newton St Loe near Bath... So my heart ruled my head and turned it down... If my advice is any good, talk to your local farmers, they will be able to put you in the right direction.
     
  14. r10hunter

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    These days you will really need a formal education in gamekeeping or have an experienced keeper to spend several years learning from before considering a gamekeeping position.

    A day shooting less than 150 birds is no longer considered financially viable, x 10-12 shoot days per year means releasing an absolute minimum of 3000 birds. A huge financial investment for someone, and a huge trust to put in a gamekeeper.

    Before you get any birds you need to construct your pens, around 3k of fence line.
    Have all the vermin under control.
    Have enough feeders, drinkers, shelters, electric fence units etc etc.

    You need decide how much medicated and unmedicated feed to buy, get your prescriptions sorted from your vet send them to the feed mill. Decide how bad a year it will be for gapes get a prescription for and order your flubenvet.

    You really do need to be able to spot the first symptoms of disease, use your wormers at exactly the right time, etc etc etc.

    Even a simple task like wing clipping is so easy once you are shown but a nightmare to explain and an even bigger one if you get it wrong.

    Then once the birds start to get out of the pens the real hard work starts getting them back in the pens through the fox gates twice a day, as well as carting the same amount of food and water you have moved the previous weeks. Plus the harvest will be here so you will be out every night lamping.

    Once the birds leave the pens you will spend many hours a day with your dog "dogging in" chasing them away from the shoots boundaries and back into the "drives".

    There are the straw rides to put out, beater and gun tracks to cut after you have been sat in a high seat half the week frozen to death trying to get that fox that is taking your birds as they come down from roost right next to your pen!
    You need to organise local support. What if you get the flu or break an arm. You need to organise pickers up and beaters for your shoots. Organise and find vermin shooters.

    It's not all walking about with a 12 bore.

    A gamekeeping job is not really something to take on ( even if someone let you) unless you know what you are doing and have training behind you.

    Having said that another good way to learn is to run a small shoot for a farmer with a few birds released (GWCT do a very basic 3 day course) as long as you have a local gamekeeper who is prepared to help and advise you in exchange for picking up for him on his shoot or something.
    This kind of shoot could never afford a gamekeeper and you would have to do it part time (even harder work) as many shoots are these days.
    Please let us know how you get on.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    I didn't say it was easy Andy, what I didn't put in my post was that I had worked with the farmer for a few years and also used to help the Keeper too. The syndicate of farmers were looking for someone they knew and trusted and seeing as I was shooting on 7 farms with hundreds of acres of land they all knew me, maybe I was their obvious choice. Still if my wife had not said no, things could have been very different... Anyway Andy, thanks for your lesson in today's gamekeeping, was an interesting read:up:
     
  16. r10hunter

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    I was in no way criticising your post sorry if it seemed that way.
    Many people got a job and struggled through with some help from old Fred in the village until they learned the job back then. Thirty years ago a farmer would run a shoot just to invite friends to shoot on.

    Things are very different today as the costs are so huge. Cottage, salary, landrover, £30,000.
    Feed wheat £150 per tonne, in 2004 it was £60 per tonne.
    Poults £3200+ per thousand
    You now pay vat on shooting leases!
    Etc etc.

    I was trying to point out to the op the way the gamekeeping landscape has changed. The skills he will be expected to have before being offered a job and the pressures he will be under from day one.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    Yes there is. For example; Hereford college do a gamekeepers apprenticeship.
     
  18. Andy-K2

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    Sorry Andy, I just reread my post, sadly it ready's very wrongly and it comes across as I was offended. Truely this is not the case, I suppose thats the problem with text, there is no tone so sometimes things read very wrongly... Thanks for the thought mate. :tea:
     
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    No worries mate.
    Cheers Andy
     

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