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Full power or FAC?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by mike boyle, Jun 29, 2012.

  1. mike boyle

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    I have a wild bird problem and have applied for a special license to shoot/scare them. A large number of geese are making life quite difficult. If my license is approved (a formality I'm told) I need something quiet and accurate to start picking them off with. Shotguns are not an option.
    I regularly shoot with a .22 webley tracker but not sure this will give me the power or range that I need.

    Does anyone know if a full power air rifle will have enough power over about 35-50 yards to take a goose or do I need to start looking at double the power and a FAC?

    Cheers,
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    Thanks for your reply but not sure what you are trying to say, sorry.
     
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    It depends on the type of "goose" it is as to wether its legal to shoot it at all, but YES an air rifle WILL retain sufficient energy to kill, out to over 100yards in fact, but it's only as good as the person shooting it! If you can't hit what your aiming for, you might aswel not be shooting it. :)
     
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    Look at the list of quarry for shooting with a standard air rifle,geese aren't on it!
     
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    Here we go again; BASC ARE NOT a legal body that decides what we can and can not shoot. Therefore that list is as good as useless! ;)
     
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    As above you need to check if you can shoot the geese at all!
    Really they should be taken with shotguns, You can get "silenced" shotguns depending on how quiet you need to be.
    Otherwise I would be looking at FAC.
     
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    Well sorry for offering an opinion :rolleyes:

    I thought the idea with a forum was to offer advice,what I said was just that,I didnt for one minute say I was right.
    Personally I wouldn't even consider shooting a goose with an air rifle.
     
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    Wildlife and countryside act 1981.
    You are permitted to shoot geese all year round under special circumstances( license applied for...see original post). I have done my research into the problem and was looking for some weapon advice. I generally hit what I aim at but doubt that a rifle at about 10ftlb will send anything 100yds with enough force to penetrate bone, skin and thick feathers.
     
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    Geese are large and hard birds, And you sure as hell dont want to be ******* them off or wounding them!

    You would need a head shot every time and like I said I would choose FAC if you can not use a shotgun.

    Either way I would seek advice from your FEO.

    Also BASC's list is not useless, they offer safe guidelines and as it says on their site you should check the GL.
     
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    I want to use an air rifle because I already use one. They are quiet and unlike a silenced shotgun they are unlikely to cause damage to areas that I am trying to protect from geese.
     
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    Thanks have checked GL and we are within the guidelines on social, economic and crop protection grounds . Have looked at a model 52 Diana that can be tuned. Any other guns you can suggest?
     
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    Theoben Rapid.
    Buy one already on FAC, Will be cheaper and less hassle.
     
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    Mike it depends upon the type of goose as to when you can shoot it...(not found Kilbarchan on the map but sounds like Scotland!). There is a good reason for this timing statement. In the winter the geese have more about them, there is less cover and getting close is not as easy. Canadas in early spring are a doddle! There was a post on this the other day - I put up a picture of oneof the Canadas I shot on our farm with a break barrel Theoben (20 cal doing about 11.2 on a very good day! 10.8 others...so call it 11.0 shall we?) It was head shot at 45 paces. I am well used to that rifle. It never knew what hit it an djust flopped over.

    If you are after greys/pinks in winter, then yes, I think you would be better placed with a high power Theoben Rapid - why the Rapid? Because they are cheap to buy, simple to work on (and very easy) very tuneable and incredibly accurate, like all Theoben rifles. I have a friend with a 20 cal Rapid running at 30 ft-lbs because that is its sweet spot - he will take 20 cal pellets off a fence at 50 yards with it - line 10 up and he'll knock all 10 off with 10 shots. A tennis ball at 160 yards......so perfect for what you want and about 40 shots per fill too!

    So, as I say, it depends on th etype of goose and when they visit. Canadas if nesting - p***k the eggs! It doesn't get rid of the adults, but it prevents them rearing a brood!
     
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    Do some research about air rifle power at different ranges. A perfect tool for the job is chairgun! A sub 12ftlbs air rifle firing a 16grn pellet DOES still contain enough potential energy to kill. Like I said IF you can hit the target. ;)
     
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    But a 6 fpe rifle only carries about 2fpe at 100 yards and would have a 10 foot drop :eek:
     
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    Fair one titch, maybe my statement should have read "a FULL POWER sub 12ftlbs air rifle......" :)
     
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    Take advantage of this situation to get yourself a FAC, it will do the job perfectly and even rimfires can be suppressed.

    Personally I'd get a .22lr or .22 wmr and enjoy the opportunity to branch out into other territories of the sport! like others have said though, if you just want them gona and aren't a big fan of shooting then just use a sub 12fp air rifle and get close enough to execute a clean, humane kill to the head. Problem sorted.
     

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