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Frustrated at the range (as usual)

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by r1ch, Aug 3, 2014.

  1. r1ch

    r1ch Donator

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    Been to the range today and last time I was there I decided to zero at the 32 metre limit of the range but I found the grouping was garbage! So I borrowed the box of different pellets they have so I could check which ones work best with the scorpion, I found Prometheus worked best so bought some, sat down and after a couple of shots was all over the place again!
     
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    What rifle do you shoot...is the scope tight ...pellets clipping the mod...have you cleaned the barrel...do you clean the barrel when changing to a different brand of pellet etc
     
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    Yeah , my grouping goes to pot in the afternoon but that's just the beer :D

    Have you tried aa 4.52 my scorp loves them .
     
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    When Pax Designed Defiants We used John Bowkett BSA Rifles for Testing - 4.52 for .177 & 5.52 for .22

    Yes there are different weights and head Sizes in Defiant Range - All made on Single Dies from quality Lead

    It does take a few Shots as they need to Find Rifling for Speed & Accuracy

    BOB/R
     
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    To be honest I haven't cleaned the barrel at all so many people telling me not to clean the barrel I didn't but I'm open to any advice! The scope is tight I think it's probably me! Might just go back to 24 yd zero and hope for luck at 32

    rich
     
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    Prometheus are prob worse pelkets to be testing sub 12 trydiff head sizes of air arms jsb ect first that 0.01 in head size can make a massive diffrence
     
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    I dont clean any of my barrels unless there not grouping or im changing pellets ..I normally just run some pellet felts through it ant it seems to sort it....but get some decent pellets mate ..a good pellet makes a difference atb
     
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    I've had that before, not happy with pellet X so try some of pellet Y, without cleaning the barrel, 1st 20 or so shots give the tightest group I've ever seen, then open up again. This happened with my scorpion and my r10, which in the end the scorpion prefered jsb exacts 4.52 and the r10 jsb exacts 4.53 now try to have 40/50 ish shots before settling on a few tins,

    Hth, billy
     
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    Ideally u should clean your barrel befor any change in pellets esp befor rellying on the tests or your results mean nothing
     
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    I've tried about 5 different types in my 78 and found that it prefers RWS superfield and after about 30 shots it would group 5 shots in 1" at 30 meters. Don't despair your shooting and grouping will get better when you find your preferred pellet type
    Scott
     
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    jps norton One Hit Wonder

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    My Scorpion SE likes a clean barrel.
    Accuracy will go off high and right after around 300 - 400 shots.
    I use a pull through kit to clean the barrel and then the Scorpion is dead on again.

    Have been using AA Fields 4.52 and it is amazingly accurate with these pellets!!
     
  12. Accuspell

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    WHY? I think you are referring to the old plastic skirted Prometheus of old, which still sell overseas by the 10s of 000s - so rubbish otr not, if you were selling something that sold so well would you stop making them?

    Defiants are made by Prometheus, but they are a fantastic pellet. I had a Scorpion T-10 that would group them as tight at 50 yards as my tuned s410 would stack AA fields at 35 yards. They work best in the SLR too. I have yet to try them through the Rapid .22, but I will give the ogives a try - they do need a good number of shots before they group true. That old Scorpion needed 120 shots but after that they were like a lazer for accuracy. BSA barrels are larger than European barrels, so go for the L head size, it makes a huge difference. I also weighed all 650 in one box and they were the most consistent for weight of any pellet I have weighed. The difference across the box was only .3grains. .2 up and .1 down from the stated 14.0gns. Very good in flight too, like JSB, they have fly with less pronounced trajectory over a set of targets at 25, 35 and 50 yards.

    Like any pellet, there will be some rifles that don't like them at all, but probably more to head size than anything else. They are efficient through the air and consistent and accurately made. A lovely polished finish with no dinged ones that I have found yet in many boxes of them. I have no doubt other pellets are as good, but I have thrown a lot of JSB Exacts out of the last couple of tins from this sleeve of 10 tins I bought. JSB are well packaged with foam both sides, but they still get damaged (AA Fields are JSB made).

    What concerns me more is the fact thay you got good grouping then lost it - is this down to cylinder pressure? Are you doing these tests with the same cylinder pressure start and finish points?
     
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    Not a good day for testing anything today though to be fair its been very windy.

    I was out with my Rapid and struggled, even though I know how accurate it is in better conditions.
     
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    Yeah I was topping up the pressure so was about the same throughout! Might give the barrel a pull through she has had a fair few pellets down her now so don't suppose it can hurt! Got time to put plenty down the range before it's ratting time!
     
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    I was offered a tin of Webley VMX Pell the other day in .22 as the shop had no H&N FTT (my mate uses them in his .22 and they work well) cheap. So I gave them a go in a newly restored AGS PRC1 (don't laugh, got it for a song) and it was ragged holing at 35yds! Nice well built pellet, seamless and looking a bit like a shiny JSB.

    Picked a tin of 500 up for £8 on the bay, gun loves them and I'd never heard of them before.
     
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