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Foot Lbs Question

Discussion in 'Technical' started by rosie 1, Sep 17, 2021.

  1. rosie 1

    rosie 1 Engaging Member

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    This is not ment to be a silly qiestion but why do we have this limmit on arguns of 12 ft lbs for air rifles and 6 ft lbs on pistols to remain legal and have to make sure we adhere to this ruling or be in trouble if we dont when we can go to a shop and purchase a crossbow of 100 fl lbs and capable of more damage with devestating result of that of an air rifle...any coments.just curious.
     
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  2. shauny

    shauny Top Poster

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    a good question .....
     
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  3. Lostkiwi

    Lostkiwi Tomorrow will be a good day.

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    Because that what our lawmakers decided.
    At least we're better than Germany. They only get 6 ft/lb for rifles.
     
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    It was because uk airgun makers could not compete with the power of imported airguns , they lobbied the government to impose a limit .

    That limit they asked for was 10ftlbs as most uk made airguns could just about reach that limit but the government said 12 ftlbs as a 2 ftlbs safety limit.

    I saw the above on a document a year or two back but I cant find it now.

    Here is a similar claim .

    He told us that in practice airgun manufacturers produced air weapons with a "'safety zone' which is broad enough to keep energy levels away from the upper limit in the event that something [e.g. a lighter pellet or over-oiling of the barrel] causes the original energy level to rise".[205] This meant that the effective power limit for low-powered air rifles was between 10 and 10½ ft/lb: for air pistols the limit was effectively reduced to 3 ft/lb.
     
  5. SJC

    SJC Shooter and golfer.

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    Be nice to see something in writing. Not doubting you but does sound a bit “conspiracy theory”
     
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    bighit Big Poster

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    This

    125. The power levels above which air weapons are treated as section 1 firearms are set out in the Firearms (Dangerous Air Weapons) Rules 1969. Mr Clarke told us that when the levels were determined, they




    • "were intended to include those types of air weapons in common circulation at the time. These in turn were based, for air rifles, around the muzzle energy needed for shooting small vermin such as rats or rabbits. The limit for air pistols was intended to reduce the likely harm these might cause if misused to a minimum".[203]
    Mr Bill Harriman, of the British Association for Shooting and Conservation, noted that




    • "air rifles whose energy value is near to this [12 ft/lb] limit are very useful for shooting . . . . pests, particularly in places where it would be dangerous or inappropriate to use a cartridge firearm".[204]
    He told us that in practice airgun manufacturers produced air weapons with a "'safety zone' which is broad enough to keep energy levels away from the upper limit in the event that something [e.g. a lighter pellet or over-oiling of the barrel] causes the original energy level to rise".[205] This meant that the effective power limit for low-powered air rifles was between 10 and 10½ ft/lb: for air pistols the limit was effectively reduced to 3 ft/lb.


    MR Clarke was at the time the minister of state.

    From here https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmhaff/95/9508.htm


    The lobbying document I cant find again. I stored it on my laptop but it has long since died.
     
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  7. Shoto1

    Shoto1 Donator

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    This thread might help answer part of your question:

    https://www.airgunforum.co.uk/community/index.php?posts/2096401/
     
  8. bighit

    bighit Big Poster

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    Again not the one that said about uk manufacturers lobbying but it comes from the home office.

    https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm199900/cmselect/cmhaff/95/95ap97.htm

    You also asked for a full list of the controls that apply to low-powered air weapons. Low-powered in this context means weapons that are capable of inflicting a lethal injury if they strike a vulnerable area, (roughly one foot-pound of muzzle energy) but do not exceed the limits set by the Firearms (Dangerous Air Weapons) Rules 1969. These are set at muzzle energies of six foot pounds for pistols and 12 foot pounds for other air weapons (ie air rifles). More powerful airguns are subject to licensing and in the case of powerful air pistols, prohibited as with other handguns.

    When these levels were set in 1969, I understand that they were intended to include those types of air weapons in common circulation at that time. These in turn were based, for air rifles, around the muzzle energy needed for shooting small vermin such as rats or rabbits. The limit for air pistols was intended to reduce the likely harm these might cause if misused to a minimum.
     
  9. rosie 1

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    None of the replies answeres the question..when you can legaly buy a crossbow capable of 100 ft lbs without any sort of licence?
     
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    At a guess it's not a firearm, air weapon, or falls under any other prohibited or controlled category?

    In a similar way, electric scooters are illegal, but electric bicycles aren't. It's all down the wording in the legislation.
     
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    Probably because the Crossbow is not a firearm...

    Firearm..
    a barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or other missile can be discharged
     
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    Paul M. Posting Addict

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    Because UK politics and law is all about making a statement about something with no rhyme or reason.
     
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    Crossbows are pretty popular over there for this reason.

    I watch the sling shot channel and he concentrates mainly on bowed weapons and often says about German laws and loopholes - let me show you it's features ;)
     

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