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Flyers

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by biotaw1, May 9, 2015.

  1. biotaw1

    biotaw1 Engaging Member

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    Can someone explain flyers to me please. I've never given them that much thought when shooting with spring guns, unrested, where it's so easy to pull a shot wide anyway. I've now got an XS501 which appears to be a good one as the groups are absolutely phenomenal, except for the fact I seem to get at least 1 or 2 flyers in every 10 shot group. Shooting prone with a bipod and the butt of the stock supported so the aimpoint is totally motionless, no real recoil as it's a CO2 gun, why do I inevitably get at least 1 shot that opens up what would otherwise be a lovely 1cm group @ 20 yards? I'm avoiding using damaged pellets and the flyers are not always just high or low so it's probably not some sort of power inconsistency due to the valve strike or something. Is this just down to inconsistent pellets or is it something else? I recently cleaned the barrel which made no difference.
     
  2. JSB888

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    'Flyers' = shooters excuse for missing a shot ;)
     
  3. chevin

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    The odd flyer used to bother me, but after reading the book from trigger to target the Cardew book, and all those variables I dont think about it anymore.
     
  4. Tripleteer

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    Find the right pellet for your barrel and you are away,Simples!!!!!
     
  5. stryder5

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    I hadn't really experienced "fliers" until yesterday, new batch of JSB Exacts 4.52. Checking zero at indoor range, noticed that occasionally a pellet needed a little more force than normal pushing the bolt home, pellet struck target high and left by 60mm or so. This happened every time with a "tight" pellet.
    Reverted to some of old batch, accuracy restored!

    As I had another gun to zero check tried the new batch, no problem.

    Pellet fussy or what.

    Now learnt to "call" a shot in HFT comp. if I feel a tight pellet.
     
  6. biotaw1

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    Well like I say, I assumed that was the case when using springers unrested but we're talking a recoilless gun rigidly supported on bipod and sandbag with no movement on the crosshairs as I pull the trigger; the shooter is practically out of the equation. It just seems weird...all the pellets neatly cloverleafing a very tight group until one random shot goes half an inch off in a random direction.

    To be fair I've only tried AA field, JSB exacts and Accupels so far with the Accupels grouping the best but all 3 pellets suffer these flyers.
     
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  7. nick2

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    Going up from 4.51 to 4.52 in the same brand AA diablo field, cured my regular flyer problem, cant use that excuse anymore!
     
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    whats the batch number gary ?
     
  9. chrisbaker42

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    Mine was similar but with JSB Exacts, accuracy back to 5p groupings or less until out of the blue one shot out of 150 was over an inch out.
     
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    die 1 4.52
     
  11. JSB888

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    I had this with my R10, 9 out of 10 shots were on the nail, but I'd get one (or sometimes 2) flyers per mag (from different positions in the mag), 1" out to the 7oclock position.

    I couldn't figure it out for ages, then I realised the eye relief wasn't quite right and if I got a little subconsciously lazy, and didn't line my eye up spot on, I got a flyer.
     
  12. hmangphilly

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    here's info i got from a friend-----

    The numbers on JSB produced pellets (sold under Airarms, Cometa and other brands).
    For example on the label on the bottom of the tin:
    First number: 10005805
    Second number: 2
    Third number: 4.50

    The first number:
    - 10 = number of the pressing die
    - 00 = personal number of responsible employee in production
    - 58 =personal number of the employee in Quality Control
    - 05 = year of production.

    Second number: 2 = manufacturing batch
    Third number: 4,50 = head diameter in millimeters

    so i think you have die 44 / year 2014 / batch 1 / size 452......all of that is relevant if you want the same again
     
  13. hpl

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    Yep!
    When you know your pellets are good than it's likely to do with the adjustments of your scope.
    Eye-relief and oculair adjustment are crucial, I would check that first.

    As for the pellets, what Hmangphilly stated is true.
    The first 2 numbers (die) are the most important.

    Good luck
     
  14. hmangphilly

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    only the first number is the die, if the BIG no is only 7 no.s long ..... so if you have die 1-9 the big no. is only 7 long ....they miss off what should be a zero.

    that caught me out
    i thought id found some sought after die 34's
    but they turned out to be die 3, which were made by employee 40 something ........doh!
     
  15. hpl

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    Yes i know, JSB is doing a great job nowadays...:(

    I always bought pellets at a store that only had the old, white stickered tins.
    They had some good batches and in good quantities...but they're all sold out now.
    As for now JSB has a lot of dies and a lot of different shapes, terrible.

    So the search begins again, i realy hate that.
    If i find a good batch and they have enough of it, i always buy a lot of tins...but you have to find them first.

    Here's a topic about it in Dutch with photo's and some youtube clips.
    http://www.luchtbuks.net/index.php?showtopic=90111
     
    Last edited: May 11, 2015

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