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First kills, bit upset...

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by Branthamal, Aug 16, 2012.

  1. eastlincs

    eastlincs Engaging Member

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    Dont get me wrong i wouldn't go out and say i love killing animals or anything like that, but if you would happily eat a animal in my eyes you should be able to kill it yourself (granted you may feel a bit guilty but if your not a veggie your obviously not against animals being killed). People may disagree but like somebody has already stated above, nobody seems to mind about what there eating when there taking it of the shelf in tesco or wherever do they.
     
  2. Arn

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    Meat

    Totally agree with you. The world is full of hypocrites who cant bear a wild rabbit being shot and eaten but they happily tuck into their Chicken Kievs and Veal Escalopes blissfully unaware. (Or are they) that these creatures have been electrocuted and then shot in the head with a bolt after months in a small pen in the dark. Dont bother yourself Matey, they are a load of W*****s,
     
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  3. Dunkman

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    I remember as a 12 year old on the farm, watching a Sow produce a litter of piglets and i'd watch her feed them, nurture them and put up with all the hassle a large pig litter produces. There was a runt of the litter, smaller and weaker than the rest and I watched this poor little blighter always get pushed around and hardly get any food because his brothers and sisters got there first. They grew larger, he grew smaller............and then he died.

    Some time later, a slaughter man arrived to kill the big sow I had known for so long. He got changed, got into the pen and used a large wooden board to corral the sow in the corner, then leant over with the Humane killer (bolt gun) and BANG, down she went, kicking and twitching but brain dead. A quick slit of the throat to bleed her and after a minute or so, she was there, still, lifeless,dead.

    I helped the slaughter man move her across the yard to where he then proceed to butcher her into a proper meat carcass. I watched in fascination, the whole process from a live Sow that I 'knew' to a carcass of meat. I felt no revulsion or anything to be honest, other than fascination. I remember the awful stench of her intestine when they were removed (pig intestines are about the worst you can imagine).

    I think that when you grow up with animals (not pets) you respect them but at the end of the day, you remain emotionally detached from them. I still feel that way. I'm an animal lover, love wildlife, fascinated by nature but able to pull a trigger with no hesitation. That old Sow taught me a few lessons in life..............
     
  4. Fasterthansid

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    Went on my new permission tonight. Never shot anything before except for paper targets or hft knockdown targets. I read this post when it was first put on and wondered how I would react to my first kill with me being a bit of a soft sod and an animal lover. I sat on the hay bales tonight where I was shooting from with these 2 rabbits next to me that I had shot and I kept looking at them wondering if I had done the right thing. But I have, the farmer has asked me to do a job for him. The rabbits were killed cleanly and quickly without suffering. An old fella at the end of the farm lane had a rabbit off me and the other I have bought home and gutted and prepped for one of the girls at work. By god they stink when you gut them, still warm too which was a bit of a mind bender. But hey, I eat meat that other people kill, so why should I let it bother me when I do it myself.
    If I had of been bothered by it then I would have had to give my permission up and go back to paper targets. Doesn't make me any more or less of a man.
    Must admit though when I collected each rabbit after i shot it I did say to each one " sorry fella", but it Makes me feel better that there death will go to producing food for 2 people.
     
  5. husky

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    I was raised around farms and farming folk and was taught from an early age to respect animals. If you are going to kill something be it a rat or rabbit or fox it is your responsabillaty to prevent suffering to the best of your abbility. The only time I can say I felt remorse at killing a rabbit was when mixi arrived at the farm next to my grandfathers place. It wasn't the killing but the fact someone could cause such a horendis disease to be used I would walk along the hedgrow's with a heavy stick to pout any rabbits I found out of there misery. If you haven't seen mixi in operation it's not nice it's like the poor animal starts to decompose before death. Sorry but I hate this disease it may have been the only game in Australia to control an alien species out of control but not in the UK . OK rant over cheers:)
     
  6. ovy4213

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    I'm a bit of a weirdo. But what I do when hunting means that I don't carry the guilt of killing.
    I have always been interested in all sorts of life and culture, especially those cultures who work with nature not against it, one of which was the native Americans & Inuit's.
    After reading up on them I learned that before they made a kill they would thank nature for the food they were about to receive, and asked that the animals soul be taken back into nature and re-born, and once the animal was killed they would thank the animal its self for the food it would provide them with. I now do this (despite the fact I have no religion) before every kill I always say thank you, and after I always say thank you. It may not be for everyone but it works for me :up:
     
  7. fletcher1004

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    Kill it, cook it, eat it!
     
  8. DaveC_24

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    Like several others who have posted in this thread, I'm also an animal lover. I'm one of those people who will go and say hell oto animals I meet when out and about, and in many cases they come and say hello to me! However, as much as I admire the rabbit as beautiful creature in its own right, I find I am able to shoot them without a sense of guilt as such - I feel a sense of solemnity in having taken a life to feed myself and my kin, but I don't harbour guilt about the act of taking the life of my quarry. I found a sense of surreality with my first few kills, but I found I got used to seeing and handling the resulting dead rabbits fairly quickly.

    I do feel a sense of respect for the quarry and I really hate to see an animal suffer, so I always go for a clean kill and on the rare occasions when I have wounded an animal, do my very best to quickly finish the job. I don't take a shot if for any reason I'm not happy with it; often, this is because I'm not sure I will hit exactly where I want to, but sometimes this is just a gut-feeling thing. Anyway, I think being selective about what I shoot and the shots I take makes me a responsible hunter, and I'm proud to be able to put food on the table in what I see as the most humane way to eat meat. I do still eat meat and animal produce from the supermarket, but this has been heavily subsidised with meat I myself have taken and prepared for the table, which thereby lessens the extent to which I depend on meat which is sometimes ethically dubious. It's not that I'm heartless or don't care - in fact I'd be the first to help an animal I saw in distress and have done so before - but more that I realise the place of hunting in providing meat and controlling pests.

    Branthamal, I'd say to you firstly good job with the shooting side of things - sounds like good clean kills of which you have no reason to be ashamed. You will likely find that the gritty side of procuring, handling and preparing your meat becomes easier as you do it, and in the meatime rest assured that having shot those rabbits doesn't make you a bad person at all. In fact, considering your own feelings towards the issue and comparing this to your rationalisation (rather than carrying on regardless) can't really be anything but responsible and sensible. :)
     
  9. Titchgamer

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    The fluffy things with big ears and those feathery wings are defiantly rabbits right?
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    Well at the risk of being accused of being the "unspeakable" I musk confess that my first kill came when I was about 14 years old. I was riding out with the Curre Hunt when the pack came upon a strong scent. I was first in with the master only to watch the pack catch charlie and dispatch him. I did feel a little sorry for the begger however it's the way of life in the country.
     
  11. SimonB

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    Any sense of remorse I might have had has been eroded by the relentless damage the bunnies have done to the gardens I manage. If my client has spent three figures or more on plants and I've put days into making a rose bed, for example, and I come in the next day to find it totally wrecked then the thwack of a good shot hitting home gives me great pleasure!

    Perhaps there's something lacking in me. To me they are rabbits or squirrels, creatures of little intelligence that breed like flies, damage everything and need to be controlled. In the absence of other top predators it becomes my job and I'll do it as well as I can.
     
  12. pistolpete1981

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    I'm not heartless, however I am a hunter! I take a huge amount of pleasure in stalking prey and being within nature, but I go hunting to kill and I kill to feed.

    I have been eatting rabbit stew, rabbit pie and bbq rabbit since I was a small boy and had never taken the time to consider the meat on my plate as it just appeared in the same way any other edible substance might after your mum has cooked it. No conciensious thought towards it as an animal that had it's own life. The very first time I shot and killed a "fluffy bunny" I did feel a little sad for it, but mostly I was facinated with what to do next (prepping it for the pot). Maybe I am less sensitive than others, but my brain cuts off any thought of sadness due to it being a process to get food. This is a carnal instinct and is in everyone, it's part of your genetics.

    Humans as a species have been killing for food for thousands of years and mostly have shown respect for how they do it, which is the right thing to do.

    For the majority of people who have been hunting for a while and specifically for feeding themselfs / family / dog etc it really shouldn't be an issue, if it is, don't do it!




    On a seperate note, it has been mentioned about people feeling sad for murdering the following pests: -

    - rabbits - fluffy, cute, edible, tasty and often a pet
    - pigeons - edible, tasty and have been a pet
    - rats - edible but I don't recommend it and sometimes a pet
    - squirrels - edible, again not recommended but definitely not a pet

    What about these ones then?: -

    - Magpies - noisy, murderous and definitely not eatten
    - Crows / raven - noisy, murderous and definitely not eatten

    I have a huge dislike to these creatures, I most definitely wouldn't eat one (never ever eat a creature that will consume it's own kind, that's my rule and also I steer clear of eatting other carnivourous animals.............think about that for a sec.................what animals do you eat that are carnivores? There is a reason for that!) but if I'm being honest I take a massive amount of pleasure in ridding these from my back garden and any permissions I've had and to be fair, I have never had any remorse and I really couldn't give two s@@@s what people think of me for that ;)
     
  13. Ty Judd

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    I too have shot thousands of rabbits, and other pests and enjoyed it! I do enjoy that little rush you get. But I have also driven many miles to deliver Hedgehogs to tiddy winkles to save one that was also very tangled up in string that was starting to cut into him, I also spend a small fortune feeding the birds in the garden and I've never shot anything in the garden. Apart from the odd occasion where you get a flier or you just plain and simply b****r up the shot I must admit knowing that something has managed to bolt and will probably die in agony does make me feel guilty. But I just make sure that I keep these rarities to the absolute minimum. I only usually hunt in the evening and usually after several hours up the club making sure the rig is bang on. So yes I do enjoy my hunting I don't think it's wrong to have a sense of satisfaction at a job well done.
     
  14. Brianc

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    First kill I did feel a bit bad but now I just see them as food . I had a bit of a shock on saturday though , I got 3 rabbits and when I gutted them there was one that had big teets and when I gitted it I had what looked like milk on my knife . I am no expert but I can only assume that this rabbit has young that she was feeding and now what will happen to them ? They have not had a long fulfilling life like the bigger rabbits I shoot .
     
  15. yojimbo

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    If you hadn't shot her, she might have been eaten by a fox 10 minutes later. Dont make the mistake of attributing a modern human style life with an animals, these days we demand by rights, that our children all survive, grow up healthy, die in old age, 50 years ago we had child mortality, teenage deaths from nasty diseases etc etc, these days its so much reduced we see life in a different light than we used to. My grandparents wasted nothing and I bet during the war they put whatever they could get in the pot.

    In nature species survive, not individuals, even us, rabbits are safe from extinction, so culling them isn't a problem, if they weren't culled by anything, we'd literally be over run, and furthermore, if they were a lot bigger, and carnivores, they wouldn't think twice about eating us.
     
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    That's why there ought to be close seasons to be blunt about it.

    When I was a lad, summer shooting was a definate no no, other than for rats. Even the farmers who's land I shot on agreed with the non shooting of birds and bunnies in summer time, but still expected their rats to be reduced.

    I suppose it's a personal choice at the end of the day.

    Phil*
     
  17. pistolpete1981

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    True, but wild female rabbits are able to and usually do have babies every 2-3 months, with each female having anywhere between 3 and 8 kittens a throw, which means that 1 female rabbit has the potential to have around 30 kittens a year. Female rabbits can first have babies at around 6 months, this means that if you started off with two pairs of male and female rabbits at the beginning of the year they and there offspring have the potential to produce up to 600 kittens a year!!!! Therefore, no matter what time of year you think should be the shooting season for rabbits, you will find either pregnant or milk laden mothers in abundance.

    Nature will always make sure that no one species gets above it's station by either removing it's food source, increasing the number of predators (like yojimbo said) or providing it with diseases to bring the numbers back into check. Humans are the exception to a point as we try to control nature, but inevitably as a species we can't beat nature
     
  18. Brightey666

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    I was unsure how I would feel before I shot my first rabbit, but when it came to it I just saw it as doing a job.

    Thankfully it's very rare, but the only time I feel a bit gutted for the rabbit is if it's not instant and I have to break its neck.
     
  19. hun73r666

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    Here here Dunk!!

    It amases me that so many others do not make this observation. I post some of my hunting pics on facebook. Now if I post a photo of 20 dead rats, all I get is "Dirty little buggers" and similar comments. I posted a photo of a fox last night and right away I get "What has he ever done to anyone???" WTF? I tell you what he has done, a damned sight more damage to farmers sheep stocks than any single rat is ever going to do!

    Why is it that foxes seem to be getting special rights over and above other pest/vermin species? Why is it that people have no remorse for the death of rats but they feel disgusted at the sight of a dead fox? Most of these people I speak of are town folk and have probably never had problems with either species to any great extent. However, they have very strong feelings on the topic. I think its down to the fact that foxes resemble domestic dogs, they interact with humans in urban environments and because they have received possitive press due to the hunting ban and anti-hunting propaganda!!

    Humans are not born with these feelings of disgust. They are drummed in to us from an early age by other humans who are detached from the cycles of life and the food chain. Personally I treat all animals with equal respect, but at the end of the day we as humans are apex predators and I think people need to be re-introduced to that fact right before they head to tesco to buy mass farmed produce!



     
  20. hun73r666

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    I understand you point of view but cannot agree with it.

    Why is it that you can give special rights to a rabbit but a rat does not deserve such rights?

    Is it not the case that all animals deserve the same respect? Or can that be changed because of your perseption of an animal and its intelligence or apperance?

    There are many anti-hunting and animal rights groups who fight the cause on behalf of animals which they deem worthy. How many of these group members would fight for the rights of a rat? What would they do if their home was over-run with rats? Poisen most likley, because they do not have to commit the act themselves and dont have to watch the animal die!!

    Happy Hunting!

     
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