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Scopes Finally given up!

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by edessex, Mar 7, 2014.

  1. Goodison09

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    exactly what I thought. If it's an old gun crap sight he as done well
     
  2. Dag

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    In the circumstances I think you have done remarkably well. However I think shooting at a male organ shaped target is a bit off putting! ;)
    Dag
     
  3. ste

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    Well in the situation your in that's not bad, a couple of things could help you,
    1) pull through your barrel to clean it
    2) have the gun serviced
    3)maybe a better scope
    4) lots of practice
    You have done well with the super domes so keep with them and try some of the above, but keep at it mate and you will soon be 5 shots under £1 :)
     
  4. catman938

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    first things I would be looking at are the scopes and stock/action! are scopes tight on and is their any play between stock and gun?,,,,,,,,,,,screws tight???
     
  5. Steve g

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    Haha!! Beat me to it:)
     
  6. edessex

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    There's some movement between the stock and workings, which I've got to tighten up.

    I bought the Wasps as they are 5.6mm instead of 5.5mm, but I think they are just too light. I'll try other 5.6mm pellets.
     
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    Many variables to consider
    A what condition is the gun in internally?if it's old and not been regularly maintained it will almost certainly need a service
    B check for the obvious I.E lose stock screws etc
    C find your most comfortable shooting position and regulate your breathing
    D trigger adjustment is important,not too heavy not too light
    E if you've not shot an air rifle much,remember "practice makes perfect"
    F find the pellet that gives reasonable groups and stick with them and your
    groups should tighten
    G if the scope is a cheap plastic one best not to use it
    H if you want to use a scope a 4x32 or 4x40 parallax adjustable one(about£30-£40) should be sufficient
     
  8. catman938

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    their is your problem, bit like a air rifle you use at the fun fair, I always check stock and action are tight, a lot of the time they are not and you would not hit a barn door with it.
     
  9. mattyts

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    I would try a totally different brand of pellets,BAR sell some 'vintage' rifle oriented pellets which are over sized.

    Also,try get a quality set of scope and mounts, hawke scopes and mounts are great and are about £30-£40 for a decent setup.

    Another thing is give the gun a once over,check screws,alignment and clean the barrel
     
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    I've put off going over the gun properly, as I'm going to get someone to chronograph it, and if its manically low I'll replace the spring, if its not too bad I'll just lube up and make sure everything is tight.

    The spring was bone dry when I got it, but I've only WD40'd it, as that was all I had to hand.

    I was about to buy the Vantage 5.6mm pellets, but the wasp ones came up cheap (500 for £5).

    As far as the scope goes, it IS fully metal, but I think it may well have come with the rifle when new!
    My brothers got a slightly better one he said I can have, as he upgraded.
     
  11. Patrick

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    The 5.6 wasps are 14.5 grns in weight,the same weight as the Superdomes,which is about average for a .22 pellet. A 5.6mm pellets should work fairly well in earlier BSA's as their bore was 5.6mm but bear in mind the current Wasps are not as good quality as the originals that were made by IMI.There are sites on Ebay that sell sample packs of assorted pellets which might be handy to try as it saves you from buying whole tins only to find they don't suit.
     
  12. oliver13

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    I had a Mk6 Airsporter from new in the late 70's & I ended up putting a Webley 4x20 scope on it, this was about as far as the budget of a 16 year would stretch, & at the time I thought it was the pup's nut, but you can do a lot better now.
    If you do decide to replace the spring you might as well replace the piston seal & buffer washer while you're in there. After 40 odd years it's not a bad idea, also the plastic BSA used for the buffer washer is known for deteriorating rather dramatically, item PW031 on the diagram: https://www.gunspares.co.uk/products/24688/Mk6/

    Pellet weight doesn't have much bearing on things, the only thing it affects is the muzzle velocity, the heavier it is the slower it goes, that's why the heavier Powapells grouped low, they took longer to get there.
    Those groups you show aren't too shabby at all by the way.
     
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  13. cloverleaf

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    Personally I'd want better groups than the best (Superdomes) if I was looking to kill stuff with the rifle.

    I agree about getting it chrono'd - be aware though that these old Airsporters were never the last word in refinement or capability (to put it nicely) and many came from the factory chronically under-powered.

    If the gun looks like it's going to need a lot of money spent on it I'd also be considering alternative rifles before the whole thing turns into a money pit ;)
     
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    Everythings there, so it shouldn't cost too much as its only service parts, the previous guy sanded the barrel so I'll paint that, as its not worth the cost of re-bluing.

    The Wasp pellets definitely feel lighter, and are not great quality at all. I can't measure the weights as I've no scales!

    I went to have another practice yesterday evening to see what the scope is like at night, but I've got to move the lamp as it reflects off the foresight.
     
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    I owned about 4 BSA's in the 70's and early 80's and they all worked fine power wise and were consistent although admittedly their finish was't as good as some other rifles perhaps
     
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    I got this group yesterday, which I was pretty happy with. JSB 44.75 grain FX Boss 76 fpe. Good group.jpg
     
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    Isn't this out of context? you just posted a picture of a random grouping :p
     
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    Try defiant vintage pellets or marksman 5.6 mm available from john knibbs throw the wasps in the bin they are notoriously crap and don't deserve the branding of the old original eley wasps. Tighten everything up and see how it fairs.
     
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    I had a prblem a bit like this 31 years ago with a then new Airsporter S, with a -then - all singing ,all dancing 4x40 wide angle scope. It shot ok, but obviously need re zeroing, - a minor adjustment. From then on during re-zeroing it sprayed pellets everywhere. It took ages to work out the heavy stool I was using as a rest was resonating with the spring when the rifle fired. changed the rest and the groups tightened right back up.
    The 4x20 scopes with integral mounts available then were garbage to start with. Difficult to line up, with no parallax correction/ adjustment and on a springer, they moved in the bracket and on the dovetail and very soon fell apart internally. (crosshairs in bits at the bottom of the scope etc)
    Do yourself a favour and scop the scope in the bin! Then treat yourself to a better scope and fit an arrestor block. The Airsporters in good internal nick are quite capable of a raggy 1 hole group at 25yds without much practice...
     
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    The "S" of the very early Eighties had a beautiful blued finish with a braising ring showing at the breack joint - looked like a brass spacer. the stock finish was better than anything previous too.
     

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