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Filling PCP's and " Dive cylinders"

Discussion in 'Stickies Only' started by Scub, May 7, 2009.

  1. jetski

    jetski Keyboard Hero

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    I fill mine up very slowly, some connectors have extremely small airways to stop the gun filling too quickly. Usually a screw that can be removed for when using a pump instead of a bottle. I probably take about 10-20 seconds to fill from about 100-200bar. This may be over the top slow for some people but the way I see it it certainly can't do any harm
     
  2. steevie dan

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    I fill mine very slowly too, around the same as Jetski.
     
  3. wellburn

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    I have a 3l 300bar for my hw100k
    the K only has a small cylinder - so for my 177 I only get 4 mags of 14 in the green, and another - totalling 70 shots before the sound changes and there is a real drop.
    I only get a dozen fills per tank charge, and on 2 mags a day targets this means less than a month per cylinder - and the dive shop is a real hike away!
    Maybe I need a huge 300bar bottle, or a pump?
    For plinking this is ok, but i wonder of the practicalities of taking a pump into the field? What pump do you recommend ?
     
  4. jetski

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    personally i wouldnt recommend any pump as your pumping moisture in to the gun. if you cant get a dive cylinder filled near you then i understand you have no choice, but given the choice i would only use diving air.

    you could buy something like a 12litre bottle that you fill up at the dive centre and then also buy a smaller bottle like a 2litre 200bar bottle to decant to/from, these dont need a gauge as you only fill them to your guns maximum pressure. when refilling the gun with it you open the valve right out so the pressure balances out, you will probably only get a few proper fills though. but they are very portable. you could get a higher pressure one for more fills but you will need a gauge on it making it a little less portable
     
  5. Freelander

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    Hi I have just tried to charge my pcp for the first time the gun is a armex reaper .22 very nice.
    the gauge on the gun says had a reading of 140 so I decided to fill it I connected up to the tank supplied with it turned the air on to 200 very slowly and the hose blew of the gun nearly took my eye out any ideas please.
     
  6. Tadpole

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    Take a look at this video for filling info, although it's a B S A the same aplies to all PCP guns hth ................. :coffee:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJq0FhunmKI
     
  7. Freelander

    Freelander Well-Known Member

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    Thank you
     
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    All done now it was a bad seal on the conection

    The you tube helped as well cheers gents
     
  9. Alcanara

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    I have read the whole thread..... But no mention has been made of the typical number of strokes needed to fill the smaller gun cylinders with a pump. assuming I have a daystate huntsman classic and it has been in use and therefore just needs topping up to its max, roughly how many strokes, how long to fill..... Is there anyone out there that uses the pump on this model rather than a dive cylinder?

    Thanks for your help

    Stuart
     
  10. jetski

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    thats because there is no typical number. there are far too many variables. even if we consider one model of airgun each pump is different. pumping fast often doesnt give enough time for the pump to fill back up with air so you create a vacuum and then pumping it down before the pressure has time to level off will result in half volume pumps. i have seen loads of people doing this. it will also depend on what pressure it already has when you start pumping

    at a very wide guess you will need to pump for about 10 minutes
     
  11. Alcanara

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    Cheers jetski ........ I knew this would be a tuffy ..... That's why I was hoping someone with that combination would air their views (sic) with typical, for them, fill ups.

    Thanks anyway

    stuart
     
  12. Trippy Hippy

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    Hi all
    im a new member and im looking for a manual for a logun air pump. . .
    im looking for this as when ive tryed to put more air in my rifle (still has 100 bar in from shop) the pump seems to hard to pull up like i cant suck air in.
    is this me been blond ?
     
  13. timbeech

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    Good thread, I'm another diver so got a huge collection of cylinders but they are all 232bar, so no good for my rifle (not even my twin 15's).

    I went and got a 300bar 3ltr for my PCP due to having a BSA R10 which has a high shot count per fill (and can be filled to 232bar) in theory I get 6 refills before a trip to the dive shop.
     
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    Trippy is it a second hand pump? Saw a thread about this exact problem somewhere. The guy stripped down the pump an found either a dodgy washer or o ring. Can't remember where I saw it though:confused:
     
  15. craigfishin

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    Nice info , my 3 ltr works out at 15 fills , hoped for more but that's good enough
     
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    thanks for this post , I have the daystate snap on fill connector, using a 300 bar cylinder should I leave the restriction screw in the connector or would it be ok to remove it.thanks in advance.
     
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    anyone?
     
  18. Jollychappy

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    Great information , was just thinking about getting a new (larger) dive bottle to cover frequent top ups of my Ultra but of course as soon as i read your post it makes sense.
    Small reservoir use a pump ! Thanks the advise is really worth while .. thanks for taking the time.

    Jollychappy
     
  19. Dinomi7e

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    Thanks for the information here. I couldn't decide between a pump or bottle for my first PCP. After reading this I've decided on a pump to keep it simple. I've gone for the FX 4 stage as it has a built in moisture trap which you need to buy extra if going for the Hills pump.

    The he thing that made up my mind was having to refill the tank and get it tested etc. I know it's not a great hassle, but with the pump that's not needed and I can get my heart rate up a bit while using it!
     
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    Just bought the Hills MK4 from "Best Fittings" for £175 including the drypac, not too bad to use to be honest.
     

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