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ffs I've done it again - BSA R10 Mk2, Black Pepper

Discussion in 'Gun Gallery' started by cloverleaf, May 12, 2016.

  1. tombillings916

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    Don't throw it in the sea near us cos it'll bounce off all the shopping trolleys that are in it :D
     
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    Cloverleaf have you tried any other pellets such as H&N FTT,even Superfields perform well in my BSAs. I'm surprised you're having problems with the bolt as the bolts on my 3 BSAs (Scorpian,Ultramax & R10) all perform flawlessly,in fact I'd say it's one one of the better features of the guns compared to some other rifles.It's certainly better than my AA s400.At the range where I shoot they have a couple of Scorpians they hire out to use on the indoor range and as far as I know they've never given any trouble and they used fairly frequently by all sorts from absolute beginners to fairly experienced shots and with minimal maintenance.
     
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  3. cloverleaf

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    Thanks - I think I will.. not that I expect it to really achieve anything as I'm sure everyone in management is well aware of the situation..


    Yup - totally agree. Wholly indicative of the unfavourable climate and greedy, short-sighted attitude that's killed off the rest of British manufacturing. IMO the only producer left worth their salt is Air Arms.. all the others are laughably poor :(


    Yup.. it seems that there's no viability left in grass-roots manufacturing any more, having all been sucked out by the leeching parasites in "financial services". Where do these scumbags expect to get their money from once all the foundations they've been bleeding dry have collapsed thanks to their greed..?


    Ta - tbh I've not tried either of the suggested pellets as I've not got any to hand and have never had success with them in the past (compared to my favoured JSBs), so am reluctant to spend money on them. The issue with the bolt appears to stem from the Acetal sleeve in which it runs - it's apparently sitting too far forward (as located by the breech block bolt at the rear of the action) and as such the front edge is catching the loading bolt dog when the bolt is rotated to close - fouling it and preventing it from locking down cleanly under the action of the bolt ball detente.. not the end of the world but yet another little thing that's not been right since manufacture :rolleyes:



    So, the saga continues. Since I can't leave stuff alone the rifle was tested over its full operating pressure range again with the Ultra cylinder, showing a slight decrease in velocity over the full range. This can be seen in the graph below (refill at 50bar):

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    While somewhat counter-intuitive, this is because of input pressure effect on the reg and my desire to set the gun up to as high-a-pressure as practical as this aids efficiency.

    At the high pressure end of the range the reg's output is lower (due to input pressure effect), meaning the gun is operating at a pressure that's pretty much on the peak of the gun's natural velocity curve (probably around 86bar, give or take). As the cylinder pressure continues to fall, reg output pressure rises correspondingly - forcing the gun to operate at a pressure a bit higher than it would like (say around 89bar), and as such reducing velocity.

    Note the little velocity spike at around shot 52 - I suspect this is where the gun drops off reg and the pressure is yet again at about the point where the rifle is producing the highest velocity.

    This behaviour can be remedied by setting the reg output a touch lower to better align its output pressure range with that at which the gun prefers to operate.

    On account of this the reg came out again and was tweaked down just a touch.. the output pressure was a little higher than where I'd set it previously, but I put this down to the reg "settling" and the seat material taking more of a set through being under constant load. The reg was tested over the full operating pressure range - giving around 83bar output at 240bar input and rising to around 87bar output at 100bar input. Again, not perfect but so much better than regs I've tested from other manufacturers :up:

    While the gun was in bits I inspected the exhaust valve and found that it's effective diameter was a fair bit larger at the seat than at the rest of the body, thanks to it deforming into its tapered seat under pressure and material being swaged radially outward. This material had increased the effective diameter of the valve head from around 6.46mm to 6.52mm - nowhere near as much of an issue on this gun as it would be on an un-regged example, since the R10 valve doesn't run in a close-fitting restrictor, which in other guns can make the effects of such small valve deformations considerable.

    The ridge around the valve head was removed courtesy of a pillar drill and jeweller's file, while the relatively rough finish on the valve stem was polished to a much smoother surface (sorry, no pics).

    When re-assembled the rifle was sailing a bit close to the wind with Heavies (probably due to slightly better flow through the valve and slightly less resistance to opening), so the energy was tweaked down a little on the striker spring preload adjustor. This in turn might have pushed the ideal operating pressure even lower.. which I'll check if I ever find myself sufficiently motivated.


    The barrel was cleaned, which took around 8 patches before they started to come out looking even vaguely clean - my far-better-finished MPR barrel on the other hand usually takes 2-3 patches to reach the same stage. Again this illustrates how poorly-finished the barrel is..


    Last night the gun was hurriedly carted up the club in an effort to acquit itself in light of its previous p**s-poor performance. Thankfully I was blessed with a very still evening, the gun managing around 11.9mm c-c at 35yd with Express and Exact (with one low "flier" excluded from the Express groups) and 13.4mm c-c with the DS Heavies.

    Interestingly, while the Express and Exact gave very similar groups at 35yd, pushing out to 55yd showed a clear advantage to the Express.. with them printing one pretty (relatively) tidy group of 22mm c-c, which would have been more like 13mm c-c were it not horizontally strung (wind, perhaps?). The Exacts on the other hand fared a fair bit worse, with an average of maybe 30mm c-c over three groups.

    Certainly better than last time and borderline acceptable IMO, but not good enough for a barrel from a £900 supposed competition rifle tbh.

    So that's how it stands at the moment. I'm certainly not overwhelmed by the gun's accuracy, but at least it's just about acceptable.


    Finally, the rifle had just over 180 shots through it last night from a fill pressure of 220bar down to a gauge-indicated pressure of ballpark 80bar - so over a full fill I'd expect knocking on the door of 200 shots per charge :)


    That's all for now - apologies for the wall of text - I'm not in the position to add any photos atm, although will try and sort this when I next get the chance :)
     
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    I wholeheartedly agree. Such a shame that such shortsightedness can do so much damage to a hitherto, good reputation.
    Once that reputation is lost, it is almost impossible to re-instate. After Fender Musical Instruments was sold to the massive CBS corporation in 1965, CBS went all out to maximize production and accountants rather than Fender's musicians & craftsmen, started to make all the decisions. Output soared dramatically with a gradual but inevitable drop in quality. It was only the insatiable appetite for electric guitars in the late 1960's through to the mid 1970's that to some degree covered up some serious manufacturing & QC issues. However, in time, even those desperate for a Fender instrument were returning them in droves to the dealers who in turn returned them to the factory for rectification.
    The fallout from this was that for over a decade, American-made Fenders from the 'post-CBS period' were shunned in favour of the fast-emerging far eastern product. It's taken a re-vitalized Fender many years to put that bad period behind them.
    I see parallels to the above in certain sections of the UK airgun industry.
     
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    I believe the air stripper used on the Gold Star is adjustable and can affect accuracy if not set up properly so if one is using a gold Star barrel perhaps you need the air stripper as well.
     
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    Thanks Patrick - while I applaud your perpetual optimism with all things BSA and appreciate that strippers and mods can certainly improve accuracy, a decent barrel should shoot well regardless of what's hung off the end. Considering that BSA can't even get a decent finish on the bore of their barrels, I think expecting from them insight to the depth of a barrel being "tuned" to only work with a stripper somewhat absurd, I'm afraid.

    That said I have been considering hanging a Q-tec mod off the end (since it will add mass and aid air stripping more so than the current HW)..
     
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  7. Patrick

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    When they tested the gun(Goldstar) in AirgunShooter ,I think it was,they did mention about the airstripper being adjustable and having an effect on accuracy.As regards my perpetual optimism for all things BSA no if i was to be ultra critical i could possibly find some faults with BSA as i could or can with AirArms being the owner of two of them.But i have to speak as i find and the 3 BSAs I own all shoot extremely well.While you may have a problem with that particular gun i would think most R10 owners are happy with theirs.Are you sure the problem doesn't lie elsewhere rather than the barrel(s) as the gun is second hand and therefore you don't know its history and how it's been treated,just a thought.
     
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    I don't doubt that a correctly-adjusted stripper has the potential to improve accuracy, but a barrel shouldn't have to rely on one in order to perform acceptably.

    Likewise I speak as I find too, and so far what I've found ain't pretty :p :rolleyes:

    I'm not sure that the problem isn't originating elsewhere, although tbh I'd struggle to see where as the rifle has been tested with a couple of different mags (both of which work fine in my far more accurate Ultra), I can't see any other areas that could be responsible and tbh the barrel is the most likely suspect - not least because of its poor internal finish.

    Yes, the gun is used but I have no reason to believe that the previous owner tinkered with it (AT was still present) while the barrel has been replaced..
     
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    BSA ... what does that stand for ? ...... British Super Airguns ........ well my ultra is not half bad :)

    What BSA do you have ?

    I know , i know ... im just trying to throw some love , light and all round well being onto your BSA dilemma :eek: it must be infuriating and im feeling it for you. A man of your knowledge will surely sort it soon enough....


    Anyway what you got for B ? ..... S ? ...... A ? :D

    Atb
     
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    'Ban Stupid Accountants' :p
     
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    Best Shooting Airguns

    I couldn't resist Cloverleaf :D.

    .....I must say I haven't owned a bad one. Only one of the 6-7 was a .177. I have seen bad .177 BSA barrels on a few occasions.

    Precision Hunter
     
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    "Best Scrap Available" is the one that keeps ringing in my mind.. :rolleyes: :p
     
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    So.. a bit more of an update.

    Since the last shots of the gun were taken it's had some new (proper BSA fitting) Sportsmatch double-screw mounts to replace the ill-fitting single screw items that were on the gun when I got it. One of the sunshades has been removed since it was proving a pain in the arse to fit in any of my gun bags, while the longer 385mm "ECHF" barrel from a Goldstar has been fitted and the gun set up accordingly:

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    As previously discussed, for something that's supposed to be the pinnacle of BSA's self-proclaimed barrel-making prowess the ECHF barrel has so far proved to be decidedly lacklustre.. despite costing about as much as a far-superior Air Arms MPR barrel (and coming from a supposed target gun that costs the fat end of £900).

    These are the groups shot last Friday at 35yd (3 x upper rows of 4 x 10) and 55yd (lower row of 4 x 10):

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    Ignoring the accuracy worries for the time being, the gun is now more efficient with the longer barrel and now prefers an operating pressure of around 85bar as opposed to the 100ish bar that it liked with the shorter 300mm barrel fitted. As would be expected, the striker spring preload has had to be wound back during the setup procedure for the new barrel, too.

    On Friday the gun gave 180 shots from a fill of 220bar (all that was left in the bottle) down to a refill pressure of a shade below 80bar. Assuming a fill pressure of 230bar would suggest around 190 shots per charge (at around 11.4ftlb with Exacts). In addition to the increased efficiency and shot count, I also prefer the longer barrel in terms of both balance and aesthetics.


    In other news I've fettled the trigger (again) since the sear engagement alters every time the associated part of the gun are stripped.


    The rifle was tested again last night, struggling to hold half an inch (13mm c-c) at 35yd with it's apparently preferred AA Express. Since it was a still night, for sheer buggeration I pushed the range out to 55yd - with results being better than expected given the performance at 35yd and resulting in one pretty presentable group of 18.5mm c-c and one of 21mm c-c, for an average of just under 20mm.

    At 75yd I got two groups - at 32.5mm c-c and 34.5mm c-c, falling to 17.0mm and 24.5mm c-c respectively if one flier (not my fault) was removed from each group. These would give average group sizes of 33.5mm (or 21mm with the fliers removed).

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    Finally I shot a couple of cards at 100yd - one 10-shot cracker going into about 52mm c-c and one far less presentable effort that was a little larger without fliers, but really spoiled by two low ones:

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    The fall of shot was considerable at 100yd - our target frame is conveniently spaced so that I can aim at a diagram on the top aperture and group on one on the bottom :p

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    The rifle on the club's excellent bench rest, supported front and rear:

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    What I find interesting about all of this is that the accuracy seems to decay broadly linearly (double the distance, double the group size) while usually you'd expect group size to rise exponentially with distance (double the distance, four times the group size or thereabouts). This suggest to me that the pellets aren't particularly stable when they leave the barrel, but become stable and retain stability (for the most part) as they travel down range.

    It's also interesting to note that as range is pushed out, groups increasingly seem to be spoiled by low shots - making me wonder if something is causing a few of the excellent Express pellets to lose stability (and consequently shed velocity faster).


    After all the serious stuff was out of the way the Rabbit silhouette was cracked out (it's maybe 9" high, shown here at 75yd) - which I managed to hit 7 out of 10 times freestanding at 100yd :)

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    So, this rifle continues to be somewhat of a bi-polar enigma.. on the one hand I like the ergonomics, aesthetics, balance and operation.. the mag has proven to be almost 100% reliable and the gun is printing somewhat promising groups at silly ranges, yet accuracy closer in is hardly inspiring. I get the feeling that with some fettling in the right places this gun could be very accurate, but at the same time I'm not sure if the poorly-finished turd of a barrel is beyond the redemption that might come in the form of polishing or re-crowning. Also, I'm obviously not very happy about having to spunk the fat end of £200 on bits (reg and barrel) because the thing was so utterly cack out of the box..

    Finally, on the subject of accuracy I did recover one pellet from 100yd, but I think this deserves a thread all of it's own.. ;)
     
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    Try some H&N FTT pellets,RWS Superfield,JSB Exact & Crossman Premiers 7.9 grn,they all go well in my BSA.
     
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    Ta - would certainly love to give some of the Premiers a go (their harder, thicker skirts seem more resistive to the gun's lovely, abrasive bore) although I've not had the opportunity to get my hands on any recently.


    In other, minimal news I've used the rifle a bit more of late and still love the ergonomics.. shame it's spoilt by the sub-par barrel and trigger..

    I tested the shot development time last night, which came in at a leisurely 9.5ms.. a fair bit off the mark compared to other PCPs (which are typically around 7.5-8ms) however unsurprising given the fat 55g striker and relatively limp spring propelling it.

    I'm confident that this is an area that can be improved on substantially, though!
     
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    That's it Cloverleaf hang in there i'm sure you master it in end and get it shooting as you want it.The Crossman Premiers(boxed variety)7.9grn perform well in my Scorpian and Ultra.Get Richard to send you some sample packs.
     
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    Ta for the encouragement :)

    tbh I'm under little illusion than the barrel's in any way decent, I'm just sucked in by all the possibilities of improvement in other areas.. I'd like to think that the Premiers might fare better than the JSBs, but I'm skeptical and whether they shoot well or not, I'll still have a fussy barrel that will require regular cleaning.

    Talking of improvements in other areas.. some may remember my thread from a while ago about the factors that cause the muzzle energy of PCPs to vary with pellet mass (typically PCPs are more efficient with heavier pellets).

    I'd pretty much pinpointed the most significant causal factor as transfer port size, however I tested a blueprinted R10 that showed appalling sensitivity to pellet mass (the worst of all the guns I've tested to date), yet shouldn't have done by my reckoning since it had (as standard) a pretty large 3.4mm diameter transfer port. Out of curiousity I ran the same test on my Huma-regged, self-setup R10 earlier; with somewhat more favourable results :D

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    To recap both guns were tested over 10 shots with a range of JSB pellets of mass 7.3gn, 7.9gn, 8.4gn, 10.34gn and 13.7gn, the values used in the graph being muzzle energies calculated from the average velocities of each pellet.

    The blueprinted R10 fared terribly - with muzzle energy rising with pellet mass, and ranging from a dismal 10.20ftlb with the 7.3gn Falcon Accuracy Plus, right up to a sphincter-puckering 11.98ftlb with the 13.7gn JSB Monsters; a spread of nearly 1.8ftlb / 15% of maximum output depending on pellet mass.

    By contrast my R10 was the best gun I'd ever tested from this respect - showing relatively little sensitivity to pellet mass with outputs ranging from 10.93ftlb with the 7.3gn Falcons up to 11.30ftlb with the 10.34gn Daystate FT Heavies - a spread of less than 0.4ftlb / just over 3% of maximum output depending on pellet mass.

    In addition, the rifle's highest output was achieved with a pellet other than the heaviest - meaning you could set the gun up with the most efficient pellet (the DS Heavy) and be 99% sure that it wouldn't be pushed into naughty territory were a heavier pellet to be used.

    Also, you could reap the rewards of the flatter trajectory (and potentially better accuracy) of lighter pellets, without having to run them at a lower-than-ideal output to ensure that you were still legal with heavier offerings..

    Both guns used in this test were really pretty similar in practical terms (calibre, barrel length, port sizes, striker stroke, mass) - yes, mine has a different / better reg, but if the blueprinted item is doing its job to a reasonable extent (nothing in the test suggested otherwise) this should not affect the results of the test.

    The only conclusion I can draw is that (just as most are from the factory) the blueprinted R10 is running a woefully low reg pressure - which would figure as heavier pellets like lower operating pressures, so a lower-than-optimum operating pressure will favour heavier pellets and further punish lighter ones.

    This isn't a slight on Bowkett as I have no proof that the gun hadn't been tinkered with since he'd worked on it, however what I can say with certainty is this this test illustrates just how much the setup of the rifle can influence its performance - literally being the only thing that separated the worst gun I've tested to date (in this respect) and the best. I suspect the Mk1 was also running very inefficiently, too.

    So there we go - another (very welcome) positive step in the troubled journey of this less than perfect rifle and another little thing learned :)
     
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    Some more crap in a nutshell..

    Tried the gun benched with some non-JSB pellets, with disappointing if not unexpected results. At 35yd:

    - Crosman Premier 10.5gn were all over the shop, averaging 29mm c-c.
    - Bisley Magnums were better but still not splendid at 14mm c-c average.
    - H&N FTTs were pretty p**s poor, averaging around 17mm c-c.

    I banged a few more AA Express through and these averaged around 16mm c-c; significantly worse than they've managed before, but then the barrel hasn't been cleaned since it was fitted and it evidently gets filthy quickly thanks to its terrible finish. Based on these results perhaps the Bis Mags and FTTs deserve another crack with a clean barrel..


    In other news I put 10 through it freestanding at 20yd and it shoots well enough, thanks to its nice ergonomics and despite it's slightly ropey trigger:

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    Not sure where to go from here. Basically I'm not chucking any more money at it - I could of course source a decent barrel from somewhere else (Walther blank / S200 / HFT500) however it's cost me enough and I won't be spending any more on it.

    For now it can go back into the naughty cupboard until I've had a chance to see how best BSA try to wriggle their way out of any responsiblity.. after which time I might give polishing the barrel a go, since I evidently don't have a whole lot to lose :rolleyes:
     
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    Has it occurred to you after getting poor accuracy from all these daystates, hw's, BSA's etc you're just a sh*te shot?


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    Well if that's 10 shots free standing there aint much wrong with that many shooters would argue.In fact I'd say many would be very happy with that.
     
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