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Ffp Scope Question.

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Tricky13, May 17, 2019.

  1. Tricky13

    Tricky13 Keyboard Hero

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    I know these are often used in HFT but is there any advantage to using them for FT?
    been thinking for a while about having a go and just wondered.
     
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    If you are dialing clicks in FT, ffp has no benefits. For me and clicks sfp works better, my reticle stays the same size, whatever mag I use.
    Took me a while to get my head around it. Works though.:)
    My ffp scopes just sit in the cupboard.
     
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    The key advantage to an FFP scope is that the mil dot holdovers stay the same at every magnification as the reticle changes as you zoom into a target. Non FFP scopes, the mil dots are only correct at a set zoom, if you change the zoom the mil dot references change.

    So for example in my non FFP scope that is calibrated at 8x zoom I may see the following:
    - 8x zoom my mil dots would equate to hold overs for ranges 28m, 34m, 39m
    - 3x zoom my mil dots would equate to hold overs for ranges 38m, 50m, 61m

    However on a FFP scope the mil dots would always equate to the same hold overs for the same ranges.

    This also applies when using the mil dots (or Mills markings) for estimating distances.

    hope that helps.
     
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    All correct and true, my 40 mag FFP scope is great, on 10 mag the reticle is minute. Hard to read. Not much good for FT standers.
    The OP is asking about Field Target. Clicks are the norm. FFP and variable mag use becomes a hindrance.
     
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    I was just thinking it could be an advantage in that it would avoid clicking...as the necessity to range find and then click to to the estimated zero was no longer needed.
     
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    I'm not familiar with FT but if you wanted to use holdover/under instead of clicking/dialing then a FFP scope would be an advantage because you could use any magnification to take the shot and the holdover/under would be exactly the same on any magnification used.

    The main thing to consider, is using holdover/under equal to or more accurate than using clicking/dialing ?
    Clicking usually gives 1/4 or 1/8 MOA increments but with holdover some times you just have to estimate the precise aiming point between crosshair stadia and depending on the distance between the stadia and your estimation accuracy you may not be as precise at aiming as when using clicks.
     
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    I was under the impression that with a FFP scope there was no need for holdover/under as the aim point should not change with the zoom used therefore no need....so just set you zoom and then focus and that's it?
     
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    You still have to account for the trajectory of the pellet though, be it via mildots, or turrets.
     
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    No mate. Mine is zeroed at 30 yards. So, 35 is one dot hold over, 40 = 2, 50 = 2.8. But the hole over points never change no matter what mag I'm using. I'm shooting .20 at sub 12 by the way. .177 would be even easier on the dots.
     
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    PBaz Barrett 'I love slinging lead me!'

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    Yes quite right, my .177 is zeroed at 20y, 1/2 mil @30y, 1 mil @40y, 2 mil @50y. 2 of my scopes are FFP, though I prefer ffp, I dont think it would benefit FT. Are the rules fixed zero? or is it fixed parallax or both?.
     
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    No that's HFT where you cannot change any scope settings once on the course.
     
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    With FFP and without using clicks, your hold over/under would be just the same whatever the mag of the scope.
    That's the beauty of it, you change the mag and your aim points stay the same, as you are zooming the reticule as well as the lenses. You will still need to hold over at 45 yards on x30 mag, just as you would on X10 mag.


    With sfp scopes, you only zoom the lenses and the Ret stays the same. So as you increase mag, your holdover/under will change.

    (That's a very simplified way of describing it!)

    The advantage of ffp is mainly in hunting, as you can scan on low mag and then wind it in to shoot on high mag.
    It would be an advantage in FT too, but only if you don't use the turrets and just use holdover.
    It's of no real benefit in HFT as once you start you can't change the scope.
     
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    Tricky, sounds like you are at the stage with FT as I was a year ago. ;)
    I started with FFP and hold under/over. I was cr@p. I love my FFP scopes, in FT they are a hindrance. I asked many questions, STB and many other target torums, kicked my ass!:(
    I started dialing clicks, set my FT scope to the top of the pellet trajectory. Mag is now irrelevant, clicks are the key. In 1 year I went from a complete novice in FT, to coming 3rd in my class last month in the Bulgarian open. All because I listened to STB and others advice.
    This Ft game is a black art, I am still having to un learn all my previous air rifle shooting experiences!
    Good luck on you journey mate.
    It is a head scratcher, but worth every pellet.:thumb:
     
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