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FAC license for pistols?

Discussion in 'Firearms Certificate (FAC) Guns' started by jimmyhackers, Jul 13, 2014.

  1. jimmyhackers

    jimmyhackers Well-Known Member

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    just wanted to know a little more about FAC or over 6ftlb pistols and the rules on ownership.

    1. firstly why use an fac pistol instead of a more powerful but non fac rifle?
    2. what are the reasons for having an FAC pistol?
    3. is there still a limit on power on an FAC pistol, or can it be unlimited?
    4.if you own a FAC. can you use a sub 6ftlb pistol that has been modified to over 6ftlbs or will it need registering or an MOT but for guns?
    5. are FAC's specific to the type of gun or is it a blanket type license for all airguns?
    6. i recieved a police caution for the production of cannabis when i was 18, im now 26. will this effect my prospects of obtaining an FAC?
    7. what will is cost to get a FAC and what will i need to do?

    sorry if some of these question seem silly, im really contemplating applying for an FAC and im just wondering whats entailed and wether the effort is worth owning a "real" airgun.

    thanks in advance for your help
    jim
     
  2. Egg

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    You're not allowed to own a FAC pistol - air or otherwise - unless it's a single shot .22 type used by vets and stockmen for humane despatch and you need to be one of those 2 professions in order to obtain it.

    The fact you were convicted of a criminal offence may well have a detrimental effect on any FAC you apply for but forget the pistol FAC unless you're planning on a career change.
     
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    jps norton One Hit Wonder

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    What makes you think a "real" airgun has to be of FAC power?
     
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    Completely wrong! And I say that from first hand knowledge!

    Calibres, pistol types and magazine restrictions that are granted for Humane Dispatch will depend on the local Police Force. The use of these pistols is not restricted to only those professions mentioned previously and being a recreational stalker I know of many similar stalkers who own pistols for Human Dispatch.

    Some are revolvers, some are semi auto pistols, some have chamber/magazine restrictions, and some don't. Calibres that have been granted that I know of personally are .22LR, 32L, .38Special, 9mm and .357Magnum ..


    You can also own and shoot pistols under a Section 7 clause, which is for "historic" and/or "collectable "..I believe you have to store and shoot them at a specially licenced range /club. I don't know anyone who shoots this way, and its not an area that interests me so don't know the exact requirements.

    Re an FAC rated air pistol, I have no idea what the situation is with them.. I can't imagine what your "good reason" would be?
     
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    Egg Major Poster

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    Cool, cheers for the clarification on that one - I was always led to believe that it was a single-shot .22LR or nothing but if there's beefier calibres and different pistol types allowed then it's all for the good as far as spreading facts are concerned :)
     
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    The most common pistols I have seen have been in .22 and .32 in revolvers with 2 shot chamber restrictions. A friend has a Walther PPK in .32 but with a two shot magazine restriction. Somebody else I know has a 9mm Browning HiPower, and I know of another waiting on the return of his FAC with an unrestricted .357 revolver on it..It all depends on the policy of the local Police and the justification presented for good reason..
     
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    Egg Major Poster

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    Anyway, let's not get too bogged down in the intricacies of "real" pistol ownership.

    The OP's asked specifically about air pistols so on that note he's not allowed to own an air pistol that puts out more than 6 ft/lb of KE because there's not a FAC category for air pistols over that power limit. As ever there's an exception to the rule by way of the air-cartridge system (like the Brocock's) pistols but they're a special case and cannot be bought. sold, lent or given away at any time unless they've been rendered unusable by a gunsmith and re-sold as a de-ac.
     
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    The trouble with the Brococks was that they could be converted to fire live ammo and the Police got their collective nickers in a twist over it..

    I was surprised to see a S&W revolver air pistol down at the range the other day, quite a fun pistol even restricted to 6foot/lbs..
     
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    mattyts Donator

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    Basically,as an air gun enthusiast and nothing else,you can't shoot anything over 6 ft lb otherwise you're going to be in prison :eek:
     
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    There are some very odd idiosyncrasies, but surely the revolver is a long barrel? Even our Olympians can't train the uk.

    Ive had some very strange things in my cabinet, when my father retired I had a .44 and .357 humane dispatcher, 2 .22lr powered dart rifles (that were beautiful, after contacting every zoo in the country I still couldn't get rid, a vet in north yorks had one, the other was destroyed) and 2 blowpipes (which are S.5), they both went to a local zoo.
     
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    You can have short revolvers and autos for humane dispatch. Some forces want mag restrictions etc some don't.

    Cheers Andy
     
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    Andy, I know, otherwise they wouldn't have been on my FAC, that's why I was asking about the revolver, surely it must be a long barrel.

    Ive still got three captive bolts here too, nightmare to get rid of.
     
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    No they are short barrels sometimes some of the chambers are filled with weld if a force limits your slot to two shots etc.
    Cheers And
     
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  14. gasman

    gasman Up a bit,,,,,,,

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    you can get historic pistols as mentioned above, you can have a modern black powder revolver too
     
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    That's correct..

    As usual the whole thing is very ill thought out. Many Forces word the condition to restrict their use Humane Dispatch only, so technically, you can't shoot them at the range, practice or do load development for them, which is not very satisfactory considering what the are going to be used for..
     
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    Thats ridiculous, there is no need for a range or load development, you shoot an animal in the head from inches away, there is no need for the above.
     
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    Andy, were miscommunicating, I know the legality of pistols, I had them on my FAC, Pete e made the post he knows someone with a 357 revolver, it's either long barrelled or a humane dispatcher.
     
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    Sorry.


    A humane dispatch pistol won't always be used from inches if you get that close you can use a knife, Target practice could be needed to make an accurate shot on deer that make it to cover and are too dangerous to approach closely.

    Personally I don't rate pistols for humane dispatch on deer anyway. If you have a high seat only condition, or the rifle can't be used in a safe way on the ground I think a folding single barrel shotgun in your rucksack is as good and far less Agro than a pistol.
    Many people use the humane dispatch thing just to get a pistol.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    Then the humane dispatcher isn't prescribed in that situation.

    there is nothing to stop anyone with a HD pistol to shoot a couple of rounds from a couple of feet away at a sandbag, to think they need range time is charlatan.

    if you can get close enough to use a knife, use a bullet with the HD?? bleeding a conscious animal is just 'halal', a strange comment from you Sir.
     
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    Apart from if your fac says humane dispatch only. Technically you can't practice at all.

    Deer dragging its self off with a broken spine and you have not practiced with the pistol is not that good.
    It's the correct method according to any courses you will take. ( atlas joint or heart and lift). Obviously if you have a secondary firearm ( most people don't ) or it is safe and allowed to use your stalking rifle you would do so rather than use a knife but a knife is a humane method.

    The point I was trying to make is that there is a lot more to humane dispatch of deer than killing a motion less deer at a few inches.

    I have had to kill a deer with a knife and tarp on the side of the road and in a farm shop. You stop the animals suffering ASAP. ( I did not wound them in the first place)
    Cheers Andy
     
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