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Fac Experience (and Hmr) Without Ticket

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by jonnyuk, Aug 2, 2020.

  1. jonnyuk

    jonnyuk Posting Addict

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    I wonder if anybody can help me here?

    I am going to apply for a HMR and FAC Air but I am getting conflicting information when I search for guidance here.

    Can I go to some private land and, under the supervision of an FAC Holder, shoot their FAC Air Rifle and/or HMR to get some experience and make a decision on which is the correct rifle to apply for?

    Or can I only do this at a club or once I have my FAC in my hand?



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    Strathrpc Posting Addict

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    Yes, you can shoot under supervision, on a permission or at a club.
     
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    ibo7 Big Poster

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    As far as I know, you can shoot any gun under the supervision of the gun owner on land they are cleared to shoot on
     
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    If shooting on private land I think you ought to obtain the permission of the land owner as well to keep yourself right otherwise technically you are discharging a firearm on their land without permission.
     
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    To be clear, I have:

    1. Permission of the land owner.
    2. Will be under direct supervision of an FAC holder of 20+ years experience
    3. Shooting on private land cleared for the calibre I want to shoot.





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    Storcky Posting Addict

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    You can indeed, it’s how I started on the downward slope of FAC ownership.
     
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    Haha. The wife's going to love that!

    Thanks for the warning!



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    Horizontal Jogger Busy Member

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    If you have your heart set on the HMR, fair enough, I had one and after a short time, in my opinion, I realised it wasn't the magic pill, that all the shouting had been about. I moved it on and bought a .22 Hornet, for me, it added 50 yards to my effective range and had 3 times the hitting power. Of course, this all depends on the land, the FEO and if you can reload, the Hornet can be reloaded for not much more than the HMR rounds cost.
     
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    Storcky Posting Addict

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    HMR 17gr rounds @ £23:00 per 100 atm which I’m not going to complain about given the scope they give me when out.
     
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    Lev Levvin BEAST OF BODMIN

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    As far as I know you’re covered to try-out under strict supervision on approved land

    Be warned... FAC air isn’t the holy grail you may feel it is being a sub-12 shooter making the step-up into section one...

    yes, a 30-40 fpe airgun is a whole new ball game compared to any subbie...

    until you take your first shot with a 17.hmr....:eek:

    then air suddenly becomes very very lame indeed....

    And if you get your paws on a centrefire... that’s you a well and truly lost cause :)

    FAC air still very much has a place in an armoury for elevated shooting and areas where powder isn’t safe...

    I’ve heard a few people berate .17hmr... that’s their choice... Everyone has that right :thumb:

    but to me, My choice is being able to buy top grade consistent ammunition fairly cheaply and easily,

    having a lightweight rifle that isn’t as ‘dolly size’ as many .22lr seem to be,

    Rifles that are Incredibly accurate at all ranges 50 yards out past 200... Virtually point-and-shoot

    It’s a Deadly hunting round capable of taking all of the smaller quarry in Uk including fox at sensible ranges

    my go-to hunting rifles are my two HMR’s... cz457 for daytime and cz455/pard 008 for night

    I love the things !! :)
     
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    I had a .22H years before my first HMR and had a few of them over the years, but eventually I got another Hornet. I used it for crows mostly when the wind speed was higher, but it was a handy rifle to take when you expected rabbits and crows and on land where you might get the chance of a fox. I reloaded for my final Hornet as it was a single-shot and you could experiment with different bullets without some of the attendant magazine hassles. I was never without an HMR, though. :)
     
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    There's so many people say how this is such a versatile round, for so many different quarries!

    I was looking at this to push my range out for rabbits, corvids and - within a safe range - foxes.

    The FAC Air was to allow me to push my range again, but use it where the HMR wouldn't be suitable (obviously not for foxes).



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    Lev Levvin BEAST OF BODMIN

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    You’ve probably already had this drummed into you but I’m saying it again because it’s probably the most important thing for a new section 1 owner to know as second nature...

    BACKSTOPS!!!

    your new powder rifle won’t be spitting little pellets that will fall harmlessly to earth easily in your sight line...

    a bullet can easily travel over a mile and land absolutely anywhere...
    maybe harmlessly in a field ...
    Or maybe not....

    I won’t go into melodramatics as there’s no need...but you get the picture

    BACKSTOP BACKSTOP BACKSTOP!!!!!!

    never even touch the trigger if your quarry is on the top of a rise... Or near it...

    As example... how my mentor taught me... if you spot a fox on a rise.... hold your arm out and see if you can place two fingers side-on between the top of the rise and your potential target... If you cant then don’t shoot.

    If you see sky behind your quarry DO NOT SHOOT

    always look beyond your target before you fire... the empty field you saw before you spotted your quarry appear may have livestock or ramblers wandered into it in the distance but still very much in danger zone

    be careful of hard baked ground in summer because bullets ricochet !!

    as you probably know powder is NOT for elevated shots... no corvids in trees or tempting squirrels on a branch ... that’s FAC Air territory :thumb:

    I’m very new to using (civilian) centrefire and rimfire... and am constantly learning... I got my ticket last august

    But I want to pass on what was thumped into me by my mentor ...

    BACKSTOPS !!!! :)
     
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    rich79 Lovin the smell of cordite in the morning

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    You're OK to shoot, the only guns you can't are the big stuff like 50cal, sec1 shotties & long barreled pistols, other than that crack on.
    Dont forget the calibre specific moderator slots for each gun.
     
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    gasman Up a bit,,,,,,,

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    Except for a sec 5 guns, 50cal and long barrelled pistols, only the owner can shoot them
     
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    gasman Up a bit,,,,,,,

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    Didn’t see this post snap lol
     
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    Have found the .50 caliber slightly lacking when it comes to pest and corvids, although it gives good penetration on rabbits and highly recommended for fox by all FEO’s.:rolleyes:
    Now where were we, oh yes HMR, cracking little round.
     
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    gasman Up a bit,,,,,,,

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    Download them to 5000ftlb much safer :p
     
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    I have just got fac air .25, my thoughts so far its far more humane, body shots are an option now but i still go for head shots. Wind is not now as much of a problem upto now in a light breeze just aim straight on, it appears to hit exactly were you aim. The rifle will do 5 pence groups at 75yds so probably 85 is possible. I am currently using 10x mag but a rabbits head at 75yds is really small, and i am struggling to hold the rifle steady enough to attempt a shot. I assume the rimfire guys are happy to hit anywhere on the head? I definitely treat the gun with more caution a ricochet back at me at short range could have serious consequences. It should be very good for night shooting no real worries about wind and trajectory. Plus half an inch 20 to 40yds zero at 50yd 1.5 mildot hold over at 75yd. Stability at long range is the limiting factor for me at the moment.
     
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  20. Popgun

    Popgun Donator

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    Go 4 both & add a shotty for an extra £2
     
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