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Eu To Ban All Lead Projectiles

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by JayP, Jan 21, 2020.

  1. Pietro Beretta

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    This reminds me of the NASA engineer who stated (quite correctly), that going to the moon was easy, compared to making Concord work.
     
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  2. Pietro Beretta

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    Agreed. I've never used a business address, when buying incandescent bulbs.
     
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    NASA engineer? Well he was wrong then.;)
     
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    An Apollo mission has to work once, and the risk was acceptable. Concord had to work every day, and nobody wants to risk rich businessmen and celebrities.
     
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    That's not actually what he meant.
     
  7. kt83

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    100w clear incandescent light bulbs were banned from sale at the sheds. The hated Gordon Brown saw to it.
     
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    That NASA engineer obviously just worked on the coffee machine then! :rolleyes:
    It took 400,000 people to get 240,000 miles off the earth and back again at around 24,000 mph on still the most complex vehicle ever constructed by man.
    Concorde managed just over 11 miles at just over 1,500 mph - it wasn't beyond the wit of other nations to achieve the same - they just didn't want to work with the French!

    Gotta be the dumbest quote ever...
     
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    All this concern over lead - just watch what happens when the snowflakes realise which gas goes into the cartridges for CO2 powered guns :eek:
    In a hunting scenario one pull of the trigger, not only kills one of gods creatures but pollutes with lead and contributes to global warming - HOW DARE YOU :facepalm:
     
  10. gw8izr

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    I always said my springer was good for the planet
     
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  11. HW100Tuning

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    I don't think the EU will ban lead pellets now, they can't afford to. Also take it all with a pinch of salt, they'll be gone on 2-3 years after we have left.
     
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    ??? "They just didn't want to work with the French!" - makes a whole lot of sense to me... ;)
     
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    Springers are much more eco-friendly, though I doubt the packems will agree. As for lead pellets they will come cheaper from china and probably better quality. The germans and french can crack on.
     
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    Actually the lead shot ban In England is the most stupid ill thought out bit of legislation.

    It does not ban the use of lead when shooting over water as it should but bans the shooting of wildfowl with lead.
    If my clay ground has ponds in it I can let lead shot fall in them no problem. If out pigeon or rabbit shooting I can let lead shot fall into ponds no problem.
    But I can’t shoot a Canada goose on an arable field 3 miles from the nearest water with lead shot.

    The legislation in Scotland got it correct.


    Modern lead free ITM /ITX shotgun ammunition is now so good that it out preforms lead shot by a good margin for wildfowl shooting so there is no excuse to contaminate ponds and rivers with lead shot.
    Price is not an excuse for modern shooters they are not shooting to put food on the table.
     
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    I wonder if Natural England had anything to do with it?
     
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    True but I do this because it is easier to claim that the bulbs are for industrial use.
     
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    I don't eat the head, that was the point I was making.

    I personally remove the shot from pheasants before cooking them; a bit fiddly but the damage to my teeth is much more of a concern to me. If the microcontamination of the shot being "wiped" on its way through, is a (very minor) health risk, then that's my decision, not a bureaucrat's to make.

    Yes, the ban would probably be attempted to be decided by a date, but that's up to us during the framing of the legislation.

    There is still no reason to ban lead airgun pellets even if you consider that shotgun cartridges are adequately available in non-lead formulations. If the banning of lead shot for hunting is considered, the use of lead ammunition for sporting clays should be treated completely separately. Likewise, if I am to be stopped from using lead air rifle pellets for hunting, then they should still be permitted for target shooting. I have shot at targets in indoor ranges with both fullbore, smallbore and air weapons for over forty years and any deleterious health effects are minimal.

    This argument (apart from the valid issue of wildfowl picking up shotgun shot, thinking that it is a form of "grit") is nothing more than harassment of the shooting community, the same as the General Licence was originally intended to permit the shooting of pest species by anyone at any time, until the nutters realised that it could be used as a form of harassment. So, if you are shooting with shotguns over water, then use non-lead shot, and I have no problem with that; at a clay ground, use lead.
     
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    But are non lead alternatives any good? We've had one post which says they aren't so everyone ignores the law?
    Perhaps non compliance on this means a blanket ban on lead will happen?
    The toxicity risk from airgun pellets is small, even less for bullets but where do you make a distinction? This is one of those areas that will leave a lot of people upset, just like the handgun ban hurt thousands of innocent owners. More knife crime may see a crackdown on what we can legally carry, again mostly hurting the innocent and law abiding.
    I like our lead pellets because at the moment there is no viable alternative but if there was something else in place then why not?
     
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    Yeah because going super sonic in a jet was new ground? 29 years after the first super sonic jet.. Concorde provided some interesting challenges especially with the size of the thing, an engineering marvel but I don't think it could be compared to the pioneering work of doing something like putting a man on the moon for the first time. Sorry but there were so many firsts on the apollo missions. The use of integrated circuits in certain applications, dealing with zero gravity, radiation, rocket technology, landing on the surface.. Vs a plane that stretched a bit when it went fast.
     
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    You raise some valid and interesting points, but surely the counter argument should be to attempt to stop the lunatic fringe from getting extremist legislation passed, rather than accept what PC Madden McMad thinks would make his life easier at our expense, both literally and in a figurative sense.
     

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