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Eu To Ban All Lead Projectiles

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by JayP, Jan 21, 2020.

  1. Chouchin66

    Chouchin66 Posting Addict

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    Gamo PBA pellets will be used @ the Olympics... First lad/lass to actually hit the paper wins...
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  2. Thermionic Valve Tech

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    When the first atom was split they said it would be an insurmountable amount of time before anyone could make a nuclear bomb or power station. Think it took about 15-20 years.

    My point being, I'm pretty sure engineers can find a suitable replacement that works with existing barrels albeit probably a slightly different shape and weight to extract decent performance.

    Don't worry your cotton socks, people far more intelligent than us will solve the problem and we can carry on shooting at stuff in our retirement. (I'm 35, not quite ready yet).
     
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    Hmmm a painful memory and done and dusted in no time :-(
     
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    Pugwash Post apocalypse

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    Quite right. And the old fogeys will mutter into their beer that they can remember the good old days of lead and how brain damage was just a load of scaremongering.
     
  5. Rat Man

    Rat Man Comfortably Numb

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    Most churches probably had their roof lead stripped ages ago. Probably the same with a lot of other historic buildings too :confused:
     
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  6. Chouchin66

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    Does it appear that lead roofs have affected pigeons to any extent... didn't think so...

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    Pugwash Post apocalypse

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    They don’t eat the roofs. They just perch there.
     
  8. Pietro Beretta

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    The EU banned lead based solder, almost 2 years ago, but I can still get it locally.

    I think it'll be a long time, before lead pellets are no longer obtainable.
     
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  9. Geezer

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    I think this is right.

    Lead has been used for centuries because it is both dense (= efficient) and cheap.

    The problem with almost all of the lead pellet substitutes is that not only are they more expensive, but that they are copies of lead pellets, or at least similar. So they perform badly in actions and barrels designed for lead. It’s encourgaging that a very few recent ones seem, notwithstanding that, to perform ok, but most don’t. Heavier things than lead are impractical (gold, platinum, tungsten) and expensive. Lighter ones tend to perform badly.

    If a major market, like the US or the EU - but not the U.K. alone - bans lead, the industry will adapt.

    The ammunition is the core of any gun design. It is completely possible to design an airgun that performs well with the right non-lead ammo. But that requires adaptation from lead-using guns. Changes to the pressure profile of the action, rifling twist (and depth) and a new design of pellet that makes the best, or reduces the problems, of a conventional diabolo design and is adapted to its material. Probably longer and through a faster rifling twist.

    If we assume the idea of banning lead, the first maker who comes out with a non-lead projectile and a rifle expressly designed together to use it will do well. Really well.

    For example, I could imagine high-spin microgroove rifling with a long polymer-bodied pellet with a tungsten core. Or a bismuth pellet that works fairly well in airguns made for lead.

    In power-restricted markets, we might want a new calibre. Because perfected non-lead pellets would either break legal muzzle energy limits in our current guns (as the Skenko plastic ones probably do already), or perform badly, or both (anyone remember Titan Black?). So to avoid those risks, invent 4.8mm or 5.1, or 5.4....
     
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  10. bucketboy

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    Your right, they will be making lead pellets for all the other non EU counties as well.

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  11. Richard James

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    Ouch! I was hoping you wouldn't point that out...

    However, the Olympic teams of almost every country in the world might (just might) have more clout or ways around it than one, minor, parochial country. I believe that India has asked to host all the shooting competitions due to the fiasco in the last Olympics (or was it the one before?).

    There was apparently a class of shooting that the Indians were particularly good at, which got dropped due to some snowflake gun-banner having too much say in the staging of that Olympic Games.

    Not saying we'll be successful, but we need to stand as hard against any restrictions as we can, otherwise we'll just get a re-run of the General Licence nonsense - or the handgun ban.
     
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    I agree we should fight for our sport but undeniably there are aspects of using lead that aren't good for us, the planet or the wildlife.
    The leadshot ban over waterways makes sense, leadshot birds not being in the foodchain also makes sense when we know the effect of lead on humans, particularly children. Larger projectiles become inert and are no real threat but I would be happy to see a better way of collecting spent lead at ranges etc. It would be interesting to know how many tons of leadshot is used in the UK each year?
    As far as lead replacements go, well the only way to improve the current offerings is research and investment, that might mean rethinking barrels, pellet shape, redesigning and adapting. It's progress, something humans are good at and usually ends up better than the technology it replaces.
    Anyone fancy going back to drum brakes with cables? carburettors, points and a dynamo on the car you drive every day? No thanks!
     
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    Nevermind airgun pellets I'm awaiting to see if I'll be 'allowed' to buy 100w incandescent clear light bulbs again on 1st Feb. I won't hold my breath.
     
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    Sorry to encourage the thread drift, but you can still buy these; you just arent supposed to use them in anything except a "corporate environment". I can buy these whenever I wish, thanks the the loophole which the french made sure was written into the legislation.

    Use a business address when purchasing...
     
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    splitting the atom is easy, all you need is a sharp axe and a steady aim....making a lead free pellet that actually works, a whole lot more difficult.



    Bb
     
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    Aren't QYS pellets made in China? If so, doesn't matter what the EU do even if lead pellets aren't banned in the UK. On a side note, the UK is the only EU member country except Romania to ban handguns. You can shoot them legally anywhere else in Europe.
     
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    Yes it does. That's not the problem, because (grits teeth) it was an actual well-thought out compromise, brought in when we had a working alternative (buy a cheap s/s shotgun proofed for steel shot, wildfowling in salty areas with salt spray wafting around for the use of; keep the nice hundred-year-old side-by-side for land-based shooting). Banning lead pellets from an indoor range is a deliberate attempt to harass gun owners, or make it less economic to produce lead pellets by reducing the size of the market. The reason we get to buy lead .177 pellets cheaply for hunting is because yon laddie practising for the ISSF Championships is putting more pellets downrange than I will ever set eyes on.

    I don't like to say this, but anyone reading this ought to buy a few sleeves of their favourite pellets just in case the next battle goes against us. As for lead-shot game, since when has a pigeon poisoned me if I smite it in the head with an airgun pellet?
     
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    Yes, my Lord Thirty. Even Jersey and Guernsey told the UK to go **** themselves, despite the minimal chance of the Boche ever coming over the water again.

    In fact, I am sure that's one of the reasons that most of Europe refused to ban handguns; not because the Boche might come again, but because so many Norwegians, French etc., have lawfully-held wartime souvenirs and RIGHTLY don't see any good reason why they need to be handed in to a museum to stop the police from cutting them in half.
     
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    Do you eat the head? Surely the pellet exits anyway? A pigeon isn't game but a pheasant full of shot is a health risk.
    A post from Ashley earlier intimated that no one abides by the laws on wetland/estuary shooting and are still using lead. Maybe the lack of adherence to the rules is part of the reason why a complete ban is coming? If wildfowlers won't obey the law then maybe a complete ban on lead is the only way forward? Who do we blame for that?
    As I said before, the lead ban, if it happens will be by date, not when lead runs out. Just as it was with small fishing weights.
     
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    You don't have to use a business address :up:
     
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