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Eu To Ban All Lead Projectiles

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by JayP, Jan 21, 2020.

  1. ukzero1

    ukzero1 Engaging Member

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    Quite true, but lead is lead regardless of size and surely all those 2 to 4oz carp leads that get lost or broken off can't be doing the water the wildlife live on or in in any good. That's why I can't understand why the ban didn't cover all lead weights.
     
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    Once lead oxidizes , not a problem ... just like lead water pipes.

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    I dont want to see lead in pellets banned, but its a fact that it soon will be banned whether we like it or not. Just the same as lead is now banned in fishing weights and as far as I am aware shot gun shells. Will a lead ban make any difference to air gunners ,well no it wont, there are numerous alternative metallic and non metallic available. After a short time lead free alternatives will be accepted and used without question. As I have already said I don't want to see the end of lead pellets, At the same time I don't see any problem with its demise.
     
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    And even those have been replaced.
     
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    Not quite as the stomach acids in birds can break it down as well as grinding in the gizzard.
     
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  6. rich79

    rich79 Lovin the smell of cordite in the morning

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    5 & 10yd use pellet catchers, ranges have the same or they can be swept up, back garden plinking you don't lose hardly any, it's only hft & ft where they go astray, and you could probably put something down around the target to collect them.
    Hunting, dig the pellet out, it's all possible if people put the energy & thought in.
     
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    1:48 AM here, funny how you sometimes get a thought in the wee hours... The same govts. that want to ban lead projectiles for hunting, have zero problem using D.U. in armor piercing rounds for their respective armies... which is more dangerous?
     
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    I said before, I’m really hoping that the manufacturers are anticipating this and working hard to come up with an alternative that works like the lead free exacts
     
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    So judging by the sounds of it it’s more to do with size than material...

    Maybe there is something to be said for .25 after all... :eek:

    :D:up:...
     
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    The lead ban for wildfowlers was simply because waterbirds were picking up spent shot when feeding and getting lead poisoning.
     
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    If someone with an FAC .25 could shoot Big Ben we would all be heroes and save the country 1/2 million squid.
     
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    So, 10 tins then? :D
     
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  13. Ashley keylock

    Ashley keylock Ashley keylock

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    I shoot around 20,000 shotgun shells in a normal competition year,
    Lead is not banned ( yet ) the competition circuit is only just starting a move to go fibre wads only ( and boy are people moaning )
    As some body said in an earlier post by the time lead is banned completely and I use my supplies, I should be about dead, and if not I’ll be to knackered to care anyway
     
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    Mortimer Lord Haw Haw

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    I've said this since the debate began. The military will be exempt from this EU rule. Meanwhile birth -defects are rife in Iraq and Afghanistan through the use of depleted uranium ammunition.
     
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    Hang on a minute, I know a bloke in Bristol who's just seen an incredible marketing opportunity :laff:
     
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    That's assuming no-one ever misses or has over-penetration and all the collected lead is not only recovered, but disposed of properly and not just disposed of.
    It also ignores just about all outdoor ranges...somehow I think your 100% is probably a whole lot less than you have bargained for.
     
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    Why do we have to dispose of it, its perfectly recyclable!
    How far does a pellet travel once its hit a steel silhouette target? A small 4-5 foot ground sheet would cover it, this is where the majority of pellets are used, hft, ft & ranges, it'd go along way to covering our arses against the anti's & the like, if you miss one rabbit I don't think anyone's going to call the environment agency over one pellet, one shotgun cartridge is how much bigger?
    We have to get our house in order because these people will pick on anything, it'll be trees felled for gun stocks next, or some other ridiculous claim.
     
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    The local club to me, have been shooting into an earth berm for over 65 years, there has never been any attempt to put in place sand bullet catchers, which is what they are advised to do by their governing body (NSRA) also, the lead from their inside 25yd range, is just dumped on the ground, no attempt to clean up/recycle, bag up and dispose of properly has ever been made, its clubs like this that will cause the possible demise of shooting, they bring your sport and mine into disrepute
     
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    Look at my post again...it does say disposed of properly as opposed to going into landfill waste where I suspect a fair proportion goes.
    I suspect FT/HFT use accounts for only a small percentage of pellet sales.
     
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    rich79 Lovin the smell of cordite in the morning

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    This is why at Bisley if you use the zero range they ask how many rounds you're going to be using, the sand butt has a lifespan, especially with people shooting centrefire rounds into the same four points everyday, it's periodically dug out & generally in a big ball.
    We could be doing so much more, but with some types not caring about all the other shooting disciplines except the one they do it's a hardly surprising they don't care about this.
     

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