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Entitlement To Give Permission?.....

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by SP99, Jan 3, 2021.

  1. SP99

    SP99 Well-Known Member

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    Hi all,

    I have a family member who lives in a group of houses, on and around a large piece of land. This land however is actually owned by one of the larger houses further up the drive.

    is it up to said home owner to give me permission to shoot on the land.

    OR being the ‘occupier’ can my family also give me permission?

    I’m in split minds about it

    thanks
     
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    ukglyn Pro Poster

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    Only the land owner, or the owner of the shooting rights (if land owner has sold them on) can give you permission.
     
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    The actual owner of the land (not necessarily the actual house owners) will be in possession of the shooting/sporting rights, unless he has rented them out already to someone else.

    You can have a permission or rent the actual shooting rights. You can also buy a property which has been sold to you without the shooting/sporting rights.

    A case for enquiries to be made.
     
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    Does that family member own their house or do they rent it?

    If owned, you can shoot in their garden
    If rented, It's up to the owner of the house to decide. The 'Occupier' has some rights but you need to investigate if that is the case
    The first think to do is to ask round or check the land registry for the owners of the land you are talking about
     
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  5. Lev Levvin

    Lev Levvin Beast of Bodmin !!

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    Realistically... if the land belongs to another property nearby....

    it would be no different to you shooting in a relatives next door neighbours back garden without asking permission ?

    you 100% need to gain permission from this land owner.

    provided you approach them politely and smartly, and there’s no bad-blood between them and your relative...

    then you shouldn’t have much trouble... you already have a ‘connection’ via your relative so you stand a better chance than joe-bloggs from the local estate... if you see my point :thumb:
     
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    Do the other house owners have shared access to the land ?
     
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    This to me would be the biggest issue. If there is no control of access then shooting is close to a no.
     
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    Yes, everyone jade acess to the land... this leads me to the question, say you had permission on a farm land, however it is frequently used by the public for dog walking etc. Where do your right lie in regards to actually being able to shoot there?

    edit: does your ‘permission’ have to be strictly accessible by you and the owner in order to shoot there?
     
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    On my shoots you do occasionally get a dog walker - but they are trespassing so the onus is on them.
     
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    You need permission , from the owner of the land .
     
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    If you cannot stop access by the other home owners or get an agreement from all of them not to go onto the land when you are shooting, then there is no way you will get permission, and if you shoot there without it then you are potentially committing armed trespass or some other offence.
     
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    I used to shoot on Thames Water land, I did this for a tenant who kept horses, as long as you only shoot from 1hr before sunrise to 1hr after sunset you don't have to inform the landowner, but always good to be polite if your approached by the landowner,
    BASC will put you right on this , if you're a member, tenants have inalienable rights, which cannot be taken away, in other words, the landowner might not like it, but you are within your rights, as long as you have written permission from the tenant, have a look at the Ground Game Act, that should explain it better than I can
     
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    Sounds like one of them barn conversion setups that are always spoiled by shared drives/courtyards and other access arrangements. These will tend to lead to issues with neighbors around parking etc. at some point. Sounds like a bit of a non starter for shooting permission unless the land you are referring to to is completely isolated from the the dwellings and not attractive to others (ie dense woodland).

    As others have said only landowner or those with specific delegated sporting rights can give you permission.
     
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    Are the consequences worth the risk?
    Why not approach the 'house up the drive' and seek permission. You never know. :thumb:
     
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    The GGA is ancient and probably superceded by several more recent SIs and only applied from 11th Dec to 31st March anyway. Also you'll find most Water Companies have now yielded to Public Relations pressure and banned firearms on all of their land period.
     
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    That's interesting, as the T.W land I used to shoot on, has a Rifle Club on it, it's been there since 1955 and to be honest, they still think it's 1955 regarding rules and regs that that they don't appear to understand, time has moved on, but not for them
     
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    The ground game act is still in force however it is used for a tenant of some land to be able to employ a single paid person to control rabbits on the land that are causing them problems.
    It would not apply in this case where the land has multiple tenants and it’s more domestic use than agricultural anyway.
    The only way forward for the OP would be for his relations to enquire with the landowner as others have all said.

    Someone renting a horse paddock or other agricultural land from any large landowner can still shoot rabbits on it regardless of their firearms policy or anything they attempt to put in the lease during daylight hours under the ground game act.
     
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    Would just like to add, payment doesn't have to be monetary, it can be the rabbits
     
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    Permission to shoot over land is just that, to discharge a firearm.
    Whatever is shot is the property of the landowner and cannot be used as a form of payment.
    To remove shot vermin or game from the property requires the consent of landowner.
    Vermin or game falling on an adjoining property cannot be recovered or retained as it has become the property of the owner of the land.

    Land rented for horse/stock grazing does not include a right to carry or discharge a firearm unless specifically stated in the rental agreement.

    Ex Farm Manager.
     
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    ^^^This^^^ :thumb:
     
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