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Electric Vehicle Trip Hazards

Discussion in 'General chit chat' started by tinmanofkent, Jan 8, 2020.

  1. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    The electric neigh sayer always quote the environmental impact of the batteries, conveniently ignoring the environmental damage done by the oil industry, not just from leak, the chemicals used to refine the oil and the waste products they produce, then the is the millions of miles of pipe lines the cut through the county side. What about the mining of all the iron to make the oil rigs, the pipelines, the container ships to transport it and the plants to refine it.

    I know that electric vehicles obviously get the power from somewhere, the batteries and other parts have to be made (just as they do on IC cars) but to say that electric cars are environmentally worse is utter nonsense.

    If batteries and electricity is bad, and IC less bad, why don’t we have petrol powered i phones, lap tops, tooth brush and a million other similar items?

    I have a gas guzzler however my next car will definitely be electric, not because I particularly want to be greener (although that is a bonus) but because for the type of motoring I do, electric vehicles are better.

    currently, the infrastructure for electric powered vehicles is in its infancy, once sorted there is nothing scary about owning an electric vehicle. A little 100 years ago, people who drove a horse a cart were saying the same thing about cars, the only place you could get petrol was from a can in the chemists.


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  3. Lev Levvin

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    In the FUTURE electric vehicles will have developed enough to be a good reliable option with enough range to complete realistic journeys and power available to run the vehicle ancillaries without eating into the vehicles range...

    Until then... I’m NOT interested.

    I didn’t run out and buy a Betamax video player either
     
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    Because electricity is more easily stored for portable use than petrol is. Electricity is used to power integrated circuits, not petrol.

    You go on about the environmental cost of the pipelines used for moving oil. As long as they are not in Africa, by and large they tend to have very little leakage. They are also built to cope with transporting oil to current demands with capacity to spare.

    Electricity can barely cope with the demands we place on it now. We need more power stations. Ones that can supply power at midnight on a calm, wind free day. Until then you are sick with burning fossil fuels or other fuels that combust, producing carbon dioxide and particulates like a fleet of knackered diesels.

    You could of course have nuclear power stations everywhere, no co2 from those when they are operational....
     
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    Said it before, it's gotta be pumped storage for electrickery; sea water hydro schemes.
     
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    this is a lithium mine... hardly green or eco friendly

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    I regard personal transport, the car, as no more than that, i'm not an 'enthusiast' and don't drool over exotic, fast, fancy vehicles. They get me where I want to go, ideally in relative safety, comfort, reliability and econome. I don't see them as an investment, anything but in fact, and i've no plans to keep any of them beyond when they start needing expensive repairs - eg I get pithed off with them. As such I buy 'recent used low miles' cars, whatever suits me at the time and for the next year or three. Presently its still a small diesel suv which is zero rated for VED and is averaging about 65mpg. I don't believe there is an electric or hybrid alternative presently available for comparable cost and with a range better than the 650 or so miles i'm getting on a tank of standard supermarket derv.
     
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    That sounds like a great average mpg but a very small tank at 10 litres (must be a Nissan Juke is it?). Most cars have 12 to 13 gallon tanks.

    I like that my old A4 will go almost 700 miles on a full tank. A work colleague charged their new Beemer for nearly 5 hours the other day and it added only 13 miles non petrol range of which about half is genuinely achievable with lights on in their experience with the car.

    I think we are still decades away from this electric stuff being 'right'.
     
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    Wonder if the future tech to power vehicles will be as highly explosive as the nuclear explosive batteries the Terminators use? :confused:
     
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    Look what happened to the Rimac that Hammond binned....



    The answer is yes...
     
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    i have an old landy as my main vehicle which is used as my work truck either picking up logs or delivering split firewood so for me electric power isn't viable as for one cost two no access to charge in the middle of a wood but mainly i like my landy as it is and have no interest whats so ever in stupidly expensive stuff that i can't fix or repair myself if i have to
     
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    Not a Duke... its a Peugeot 2008. I think the tank is about 50 litres but I normally top up when the low fuel light comes on, maybe 50-60 miles remaining...

    We are retired and our local' is almost 25 miles away on country roads, near where our small sailing boat was moored, so our average journey is fifty miles around. Elder daughter and family are about 125 miles each way, and we like a few days away as often as we can. Never had issues with dpf's as 95% of our driving is longer runs.
     
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    The usual and predictable complement of Luddites.
    I like the sound and feel of a V8 as much as the next man but their days are numbered. Electric vehicles and the infrastructure to support them is in its infancy and not doing too badly in view of that.
    Thankfully, eventually, the whole debate will be consigned to the dustbin of history where it belongs and future generations will move on if it’s not too late already.
    @secretagentmole Do you honestly believe the Americans are clearing vast tracts of virgin forest to produce wood pellets?
    Timber which could be far more profitably used to make furniture, building materials, gun stocks etc? The vast majority used to make pellets is an otherwise valueless by product which would be burned on site. I do not particularly support this form of electricity generation but at least get your facts right before you make such sweeping and inaccurate statements. Or maybe you can provide evidence to support your assertion? The Americans are not well known for wasting a valuable asset which could be put to more profitable use.
     
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    By taxing it on the miles covered. The user pays. Eminently fair. Just like almost everything else.
    The technology already exists for that.
    The Tachograph.
    Easily transferable technology to all vehicles.
    A lot fairer than how vehicles are taxed now.
     
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    Even how things are now transport taxation should be all on fuel. Not simply for owning a vehicle.
    That way the user pays.
    If you don’t eat much food you pay for what you buy. If you eat a lot you pay more. No one questions that. Why should anyone pay taxes to subsidise other peoples excessive consumption of finite resources?
     
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    @Pugwash you do know you get many more pellets from a tree if you use the whole bloody tree?

    https://theecologist.org/2018/apr/1...-drax-power-plant-channel-4-dispatches-claims

    https://inews.co.uk/news/environmen...s-trees-wood-pellets-deforestation-540122?amp

    https://www.biofuelwatch.org.uk/2018/biomass-basics/
    Some nice stats in that one.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jun/30/wood-pellets-biomass-environmental-impact

    There you go lad. Plug on and deforest the U.S.A. I know I got my facts right...
     
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    Yes. That would seem to be a logical conclusion should the whole tree be used to make pellets rather than the majority of it being used for more profitable products. It is not a great stretch for anyone to guess that a whole tree will make more pellets than part of a tree. As I said I would not suggest this is a good way to generate electricity but it is all too easy for a media outlet with an agenda to take an isolated snapshot of one instance and paint a wholly misleading picture.
    In general I agree with you but unfortunately misrepresentation of the facts does more harm than good to an otherwise sound argument.
     
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    I work in a CV bodyshop. Always a lot of noise going on. One guy decided to wear ear phones at work.
    The dumb **** couldn’t hear the fire alarms going off on a fire drill.
    I banned them from being worn.
    A couple of weeks later and I send a guy out to collect some parts.
    He forgot to collect the paperwork. I spent 20 mins trying to get hold of him.
    Turns out he was driving with earphones in. Bloody dangerous if you ask me.


    Regards Dan
     
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    No, the entire tree is being used. They are taking whole trees to satiate the demands for electricity. I am not misrepresenting the facts. Deforestation in the name of electricity is going on in the U.S.A.and I am not blaming electric cars for it, but the need for electricity and the short sighted chasing of lowering carbon dioxide emissions that have bog all to do with global warming.
     
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