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eb sniper valuations ome marks and damage

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by valboskie, Mar 16, 2014.

  1. valboskie

    valboskie Busy Member

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    can someone give me a fair valuation for this eb sniper scope please the damage is in the pictures

    scratch1.jpg small scratch on lens you cant see it when shooting
    mount marks.jpg mount mark
    dent outside.jpg small dent in the bell sunshade in front of it
    mount marks other side.jpg mount marks at the back end of scope
    front damage.jpg small chip plus some scratches
    dent1.jpg the dent face on with sunshade removed

    what would you guys pay for this eb sniper scope i have just bought it the pictures i received only showed the chip this is pictures i took
    and sent to the seller .
    if i get a discount i might keep it but i think i want a refund it will cost me £20 in postage and £6 in paypal fees though
    any advice welcome
    cheers
    David
     
  2. JD

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    I wouldn't say that was a scratch on the lens, more like a stress frature from where the objective lens housing has taken a knock.
     
  3. oliver13

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    It looks a bit rough from the photos, I don't know what I would pay for it but if it was advertised as in good undamaged condition it isn't.
     
  4. valboskie

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    It was advertised with a few minor marks he sent pictures but only the small chip showed up as seen in my pic 5
    His pictures look like they were done with a phone.
    So nothing showed up.... here are his pictures as you can see they show much
    With sports match mounts I paid £185 posted I feel this was far too much going buy the real condition and not mentioning the dent or scratched lens .
    You can't see the scratch when look through the scope unless you move your head postion way left it barely shows .I only noticed because I was looking for it and it took a while.
    The dent was described as a mark but its a flat spot
    I think the seller was genuine and not trying to rip me off just his pictures and what he calls minor issues are different to mine.
     

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  5. oliver13

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    I think I'd still be looking for some kind of a partial refund, I don't think a scratched lens is a minor mark, & those mount marks - are they just marks or can you feel them i.e. are they crimps - if the tube is distorted then I think maybe a 50% refund is in order.
    I know what you mean though about his minor issues & yours being different, I suppose it's just a basic hazard of internet trading & not worth getting too wound up over, if it works OK I would personally keep it.
     
  6. dave goodall

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    To be fair the mount marks look more scratches to the finish like its been slide in to place with the mounts tight still common fault to eb sniper and granite wtc but the fracture to lens and dent as that hapend intransit was it sent witn insurance this is option id be taking if it was if off ebay his advert claims minr defects which id say the scratches are as they wont affect usage but the dent id not be happy about but if the seller didnt no ie happend in the post id say a claim is best option for u both so no one looses out its ashame as eb sniper id say are one of the best scopes out there for air rifle use hope u get a resolution out of it buying second hand scopes online is a minefield still think the price was a little high unless the scope was a mint example
     
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    if i was buying that to be honest i wouldnt give no more than 80/90 quid all in !

    mik
     
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    If bought on eBay, the buyer
    Always wins, I'd go that way....
     
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    Personally I wouldn't have bought it, period, if the extent of the damage was known. Since it wasn't, you are left with a dulispute based on whether this was a deliberate attempt to deceive or just different opinions on what constitutes a certain level of damage.
     
  10. valboskie

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    Its was bought of another a forum the scope belonged to a ladies hft national champion it works fine
    Its cosmetically rough looking its not crimp marks its just scratches .
    I was not told of the dent or scratch to the lens.
    Im trying to be fair to the guy selling it if ask for a partial refund im trying to gauge how much
    He thinks £170 posted what I paid is a fair price .I paid £15 for the mounts on top.
    Thats his discount for the damage im trying to think if I re sell it what could I get for it
    And its not £170 posted.
    What do you guys think its worth now you know the details.
    Cheers
    David
     
  11. Andy

    Andy Administrative Staff Member Founder

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    I would send that back for a full refund.
     
  12. Wild Bill

    Wild Bill co2 Enthusiast, HW97, K98 owner

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    I would ask for a refund. That is decidedly secondhand and would not grace any of my HFT rifles. Probably worth about 100 quid to someone on a budget.

    Andy
     
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    Take the scratches from the mounts out of equation for a second. Are you happy with the scope? does it work for what you want it for?
     
  14. cloverleaf

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    Tbh I don't think that's worth anywhere near what you paid for it and were I in your situation I'd be extremely non-plussed about the damage if it wasn't mentioned in the ad.

    I know everyone's ability to see / tolerate marks varies (and that I'm a picky sod) however those marks are pretty obvious IMO and if not covered in the ad I'd consider the seller to be either blind or willfully failing to describe the item properly/correctly/fully.

    I'm not au fait with these 'scopes, but I'd reckon such damage (a scratched lens, ring crimp marks and a dent) should make the 'scope maybe 1/3 cheaper than a minter; so perhaps worth £100-120ish?

    Tbh (without seeing the original ad) it seems that like seller's had you over - the item is apparently not as described and overpriced as a result. As a matter of principal if nowt else I'd just look to wash my hands of the thing - tell the seller you don't want it in the condition its in as it's not as described and given the damage you have concerns about it's function / what else might be wrong with it.

    I'd demand (in the nicest possible, but firm way) that the 'scope is returned for a full refund, with postage at the buyer's cost. Failing that swallow the cost of return yourself (get it tracked / signed for so they can't pull a fast one by saying it hasn't arrived) and suck up the cost - it'll potentially be less than you'll lose if trying to sell the damaged 'scope on.

    I had a bad experience buying a 'scope from "another forum" bloke turned out to be a complete a******e, mods did sod all to help sort out the situation (although to be fair it's not necc. their job to do so) and the structure of said forum does sweet FA to support a safe sales environment (no feedback for example).

    Also said forum seems to have a lot of sub-par crap doing the rounds, complete with shoddy descriptions, massive variations in what people consider "good condition" and general poor behaviour all around.

    From this an other experiences I've learned to:

    - Never buy used 'scopes unless you're giving sod all for them and are happy to write them off to be a total loss
    - Never buy used 'scopes unseen online
    - Never buy anything from said forum without it being a face-to-face deal

    Yet another example of why decent photos, an honest description and some means of logging / displaying a seller's reputation are a must.

    Good luck getting it sorted - let us know how you get on :)
     
  15. cloverleaf

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    Just found what appears to be the original ad.. within which it's stated "no crimp marks or body scratches" which, judging by the photos you've posted, simply isn't true. No mention of the scratch on the occular either.

    I'd get in touch with the mods on the forum and send them the pics you've posted on here. If that fails post them on the forum for all to see. If you don't get sorted out, you might at least get some satisfaction from rubbing **** all over the seller's reputation. You may wish to save or quote the ad / copy a cashed link / do a screen dump so you've got proof, should the seller decide to change his description ;)

    It's blatantly not as described IMO (not just poorly described, but actually stating something that isn't true); I'd want a full refund and postage covering.
     
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  16. valboskie

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    Yes the scope would work fine but I'm not happy with the dent or the scratched Lens those were not described.
    If it was just the mount marks i would keep it.
    Cheers
    David
     
  17. valboskie

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    Cloverleaf I bought 2 eb snipers I won the one you seen first it was boxed mint and came with everything It would have from new plus butler creeks and I got some sports match mounts as well for an extra £10 so £200 in total and I am Very happy with my purchase.

    The rough one was being sold on a rifle but he decided to split them I had first refusal. He said it had a few marks and sent those pics showing not to much.
    I needed a sunshade. This one had one so I was going to put it on the minter and use the marked one on another springer not my hft rig.
    He has offered me a £20 refund with mounts and postage deducted from the total that would make it £140 for the scope.
    I'm still not happy though.
    Cheers
    David
     
  18. cloverleaf

    cloverleaf Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    Cool - so they came from the same seller or two different sellers? Glad I didn't post a link; it's a good example of how easily a good old internetz witch hunt can be misdirected through assumption :p

    If you're not happy I'd just tell the seller you want a total refund since the 'scope's not as described.. of course getting this could be more difficult since the sale was conducted through a forum.

    Hope you get it sorted :)
     
  19. valboskie

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    It was a different seller I think to him its just a few cosmetic mark's to me its a bit worse than that.
    Atb
    David
     
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    If you paid by paypal dispute the transaction, explaining that its not as advertised etc. if you just got it ,why would this not be an option? Or rules for E(ffluent)Bay different? Talk to where you got it if you can. Sorry if my tuppenceworth is only worth a Ha'appeny. Good luck, thats a lot o postage, ?! ATB.
     

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