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Does A Bag Rest Affect A Springer

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by craigp4294, Jul 15, 2018.

  1. craigp4294

    craigp4294 Junior Member

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    Was out shooting last night on a clearance job but had an absolutely awful session. To be honest I don't usually miss that much specially the distance we was shooting. Shouldn't have missed any of them. The only thing I have changed is that I'm using a bag rest. Could this really be the cause, or was I just being s**t last night.
     

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    mikeyhall1 Pepe Le Pew

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    With some yes, but a 97? Not I’m my experience. Usually due to the weight of the 97 it shoots well off anything.
     
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    jps norton One Hit Wonder

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    Will definitely make a difference using a bag in my experience.
    I use one at the range but always have my hand between rifle and bag to allow for the recoil to take place.

    I guess it would depend on springers individual shot cycle though
     
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    PhatMan Posting Addict

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    Craig,

    When using a bag rest, I always have my (gloved) hand under the forearm, as it is for shooting all positions.

    This helps makes the shot cycle more consistent between positions.

    Having the hand at the centre-of-gravity is also said to help.

    So - hand position, head position & pressure etc. have to be as similar and consistent as possible in all positions.

    Have fun & a good Sunday :)

    Best regards

    Russ
     
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  5. rich79

    rich79 Lovin the smell of cordite in the morning

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    If I use a bag with a springer I still put my hand between it & the gun & lightly grip like I would do prone or standing.
     
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    TimB Posting Addict

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    I tried my 97 straight on top of a soft rolled up military poncho in a bag, as my ‘bag’ not great groups. Having my hand cushioning between the stock and the bag works brilliantly. All my hands doing is absorbing the recoil and movement not holding it etc very good groups like that


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    bob4026 Posting Addict

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    I `sort of` proved this to myself recently using a few different rifles - and also last nite when I took a mate to an outdoor range.

    Rifles zeroed and shooting off a rested forearm/hand all was well. Replacing me with a bag, POI all over the place - inches in some cases. Obviously no discernible difference for the PCP, but the springers (HW80k/TX/PS/HW97k) were unusable. Maybe spending time to re-zero and practice would help, but there's something about holding a gun in both hands.

    Anyway, that's what I found.

    Bob
     
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    hughlle Very Active

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    Could it be that with a bag there is more potential for the gun to move left and right under recoil? I always have my hand between bag and gun and find it works just fine with my 99s
     
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    Dag Very Active

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    I never put my hand under the stock, my left hand lightly pinches the extreme tip of the butt while the right has a light touch on the trigger and stock.
    I shoot almost all the time from a bag but if there is one thing I have to ensure with my springers that is to make certain the rifle is always in the same position fore and aft as this seems to make a big difference to my POI.
    I have tried putting my hand under the stock but either due to short arms or just plain not as comfortable I always drifted back to the butt pinching ( no, not that sort!:rolleyes:) hold.
    hth
    Jim
    ps I found using a rice filled bag with the rifle resting on the two peaks better than resting in the V, ie it's turned 90o to normal.
     
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    Due to crappy health i Use my HW77k off a bag.

    Very accurate.

    My 97kt was the same.

    I don’t put hand between gun n bag but when i tried it that way it made no real difference.
     

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    telephonepete Donator

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    This is how i shoot rifle sitting on my bean bag.left hand fingers unde the cap on the pistol grip. just make sure that you zero the gun like this. its no good zeroing a springer from the so called artilliary hold and then placing it on the bag. zero how you are going to shoot. for me this is the way that works. Talk about talking bollxx i dont do this at all i put my left fist under the tip of the stock and adjust my aim by clenching or unclenching my fist. the home for the faintly bewildered awaits.
     
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  12. Jiggy ward

    Jiggy ward HEY YOU GUYS

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    I can rest all my rifles on a bag with no affect to accuracy if I’m sat in a chair with bag on a bench I tend to have either hand not pulling the trigger under the rifle on top of bag if prone I tend to have my off hand clenched resting the butt of stock on it and tie just on top of the bag

    I find it’s the hold of the rifle that tends to shift poi or a solid surface like a fence post plus it scratches also unlike the bags


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  13. MrOvershoot

    MrOvershoot Now just slightly tired

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    I've found that shooting any of my springers off a bag the shot pulls slightly to the left if i don't control the stock slightly not grip just a bit of control. Though using a Vanguard Porta Aim with only the trigger hand holding the gun seems spot on!

    [​IMG]
     
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  14. StellaArtois Sr

    StellaArtois Sr Springer Whore

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    I shoot using a Caldwell Tack Driver Shooting Bag with all my Springers, and I have found it to be the most accurate way of shooting for me.
    It's filled with aquarium gravel and weighs a ton but it helps me to shoot the best I have ever shot. I do lightly hold the stock that appears from
    the front of the bag. I have tried every way to shoot and I am most successful with the bag.
     
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    pjgtech If the Enemy is in range, so are You!

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    Hmm, that looks a nice bit if kit Mr Overshoot? :cool:

    I shoot off bags and a Primus stick and cushions, I don't think they affect POI, I think consistent hold and technique is much more important personally..... :up:
     
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    robs5230 леший

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    Now I'm going to put a little spanner in the works here.
    Forever it seems, I've used some sort of cushioned rest to zero and when shooting in the field my POI was always a little high and to the right. Yes the recoil was acting differently in my had to a rest.

    But around 18 months or so ago, I started to set my springers up a little differently What I've found since is that every springer I've come across has been over sprung. Even ones from reputed tuning houses.
    I find I'm now able to shoot from a rest hand under or not and achieve the same POI standing in the field. I've also downtuned all my springers to make around 10.5 with express. That too may help.
     
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    will see how my HW77k shoots once I get it back from being tuned, I think will said he will set it up to use express pellets, used to shoot standing & sitting but these days all my shots are benched off a bag due to cr@@py health, i believe to zero gun from how u are going to shoot it, so zero from bench if thats how u may shoot it mostly,
     
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    They say that you cant shoot of a hard surface with a springer. I dont believe this. A rest filled with sand or gravet is a hard surface. get a block of wood zero from it and with no hand between the block of wood and the gun it should shoot fine. if the block of wood has a v cut in to it to restrict sideways movement so much the better.
     
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    MrOvershoot Now just slightly tired

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    Only got it 3 weeks ago after seeing a couple of chaps using them at a shooting range in Northumberland while I was on holiday. had a try out with one belonging to them & was sold on it straight away. (ordered that night :) )
     
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    I’ve not tried a proper bag but my rammer shoots best of a bipod! I’ve tried all sorts of holds and pod seems best.
    As with pellets and barrels I think every gun is different.
     
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