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Does .177 kill magpie?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by colwyn, Jun 12, 2015.

  1. richardscar

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    I forgot to add, as a contrast to the killing of small animals for food, if I was to witness children pulling the legs/wings off craneflys, or hurting frogs/toads, as was often the case when I was growing up I would be horrified/upset by this act of cruelty .
    atb, rich.
     
  2. David M

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    .177 is just as effective a caliber as any other mate........:up:
     
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    I think many would agree with your sentiments and I for one respect your right to say anything you like for or against hunting on this forum. However, I think the fact you felt so strongly about the subject of killing just goes to highlight the need for forum members to take care about in which section they raise threads which refer to hunting or pest control. This thread should really have been in the Hunting section where those who might be offended are less likely to read it.
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    I didn't realize it was in general airgun related topics Dag until you just pointed it out mate, I've edited my post now....:up:
     
  5. rkr

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    Not really, as long as it's legal. 20 shots in a second at 12 fpe, IIRC I calculated around 10 hits. It's like shooting a shotgun, limited range but devastating. Drozds are/were sold in UK.
     
  6. Dr B

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    I disagree (cordially) and I think you slightly misunderstand the role of pest control. I have no urge to eat rat, mink, magpie, or crow. Yet I will control their numbers as they can be pest species. I do shoot and eat rabbit and pigeons. I also shoot a lot of grey squirrels, again, because they are pests, and carry diseases that affect our red squirrels. I've no intention of eating grey squirrels (though i know some do).

    I am pleased to say that due to severe grey squirrel culling we are seeing the return of reds to woodland they had long since left. Reason enough to help control numbers in my book.
     
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    A well placed stone in a catapult will kill a Magpie so .177 should do the job. Its all about shot placement.
     
  8. RodN

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    The whole subject is a matter of personal philosophy.
    It is as simple as that.

    Your philosophy regarding shooting live things came about as a result of shooting a bird, and how it made you feel. And that's perfectly fair enough. It's not for me (or anyone else) to criticise your philosophy. It is personal to you.

    The time that problems happen is when one person attempts to foist his or her shooting pholosophy onto others, and insinuates that they are wrong, using emotive statements.

    I have my own philosophy when it comes to killing animals and birds. That developed from when I was younger, fishing for trout. I was happy to eat them (or feed them to friends and family) but I would never sell a trout that I had killed. Similarly, I would never sell a pigeon or a rabbit that I had shot. I don't have a problem dealing with other legal pest species which I have permission to shoot on a farm. But that is my philosophy, and I am happy with that. Others may well indeed sell rabbits or pigeon to a game dealer or butcher, and that's fair enough too. It isn't my job to tell them that they are wrong in doing so. It is a personal thing.

    Rod
     
  9. Deadshot

    Deadshot For Queen For Country and For Us

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    Like i said "each to their own" i dont necessarily have to agree with it but each to their own, i do however understand your point of view on the grey squirrels on how they have taken hold and the red squirrel numbers have dwindled because of it but again they are still living creatures that have a right to stay that way.

    It just seems to me not unlike the Badger cull that this course of action is possibly not the most humane or justifiable way to go about solving the problem we dont go out culling Muslims or Kossovans or Lithuanians just because they are over populating the country and causing mayhem and destruction they are simply integrated into society..... is this a pest control issue, i'll leave you to make your own mind up about this one.

    It all comes down to money .. if you were willing to spend x amount of pounds on a process where lets just say for example the grey squirrels were targeted for removal in a better world it would be more humane to set traps where they were coaxed into little cages by tasty morsels laced with say a sleeping compound then transported to somewhere and released where they could survive and live out there lives.

    Being sensible about it that's not going to happen is it it would cost the taxpayer far too much and couldn't be justified so its just easier to shoot them job done .. like i say dont agree with it but not going to change is it then comes the day there are no grey squirrels left extinct because they were all killed off then no more Robins no more rooks no more Black birds no more pigeons where does it stop.
     
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    It wasn't my intent to preach or push or instill my views on anyone else it was something i felt i needed to say as its my point of view, if you eat what you kill then no arguments here but if your just killing for killings sake "for sport or just because it presents itself as a potential target for your satisfaction then i consider that morally wrong .. but like i said each to their own i prefer to shoot something that doesn't feel pain or suffering and i'm quite happy to leave it at that.
     

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