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Do I need a FAC?

Discussion in 'Firearms Certificate (FAC) Guns' started by David1871, Jun 30, 2014.

  1. David1871

    David1871 Newbie

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    My apologies if this has been asked before - I am new to this site and know next to nothing about airguns.

    A few years ago I inherited a Weihrauch HW77K .22 air rifle from my mother. I have no idea whether or not she held an FAC, but she used to use the air rifle for target shooting at home. I put the gun away in my loft with a load of other keepsakes, and forgot about it until recently.

    I have just retrieved the air rifle from my loft, and was looking to buy some pellets and paper targets for some home target practice, when I found on the internet a lot of rules about the power of an air rifle that you are allowed in the UK without an FAC.

    Is there any easy way to tell if the air rifle is permitted without a licence? I have no idea of the power, there is no manual or documents with the gun.

    If I can't tell by the gun itself, is there someway that I can find out whether it is legal without a FAC?

    If it turns out I need an FAC, am I likely to be in trouble for holding the gun for a while without one?

    Thanks in advance, and my apologies again if this has been asked many times before.

    David.
     
  2. Jackroadkill

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    Hi David,

    The HW77 as sold in the UK was not designed to need an FAC. It should (note the "should"!) develop under 12 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. If this is the case, all well and good - shoot away to your heart's content. Just read this first to stay legal:http://www.airgunforum.co.uk/forums/...-their-answers

    If not, then your rifle will have to be de-tuned to below this power threshold, which is easily done with the help of some basic tools and a chronoscope. Most gun shops will have a chronoscope, as will air rifle clubs and also members on here. If you do a forum search for "chronograph help" you'll see a list of members with chrono's who are willing to help - there may be one in your area.

    Hope this is of use to you,

    JR
     
  3. DUNKS

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    Yes there is a legal limit. The 77 is unlikely to exceed this limit so no licence required. BUT you must get the gun checked out. Take it to your nearest gunshop where they will check it for you for only a couple of pounds.
    If the gun is over then the shop will be obliged to keep it and bring it down to the legal limit at your expense.
    Yes you are liable for owning a gun exceeding the limit. Get it checked out.
    Nice gun by the way!

    Beat me to it Jack!
     
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  4. tisme

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    Your not to far away from me here in tunbridge wells if you want bring it down and we can test it foc. If it's over you can leave it with us as we are an RFD. We can sort it for you at a cost for the parts, might even have a std spring here foc.
     
  5. Jackroadkill

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    And that's the spirit of this forum, right there. Much respect, Tisme.
     
  6. surrey shooter

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    Hi david,

    My mate has a chrono im sure I can borrow it and check for you.

    Pm if you like, happy to help. I have pellets and targets too.

    Atb
    Len.
     
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  7. surrey shooter

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    Just to add great offer by tisme and not trying to step on toes, just an alternative option if op is closer to me.
     
  8. David1871

    David1871 Newbie

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    Thanks for the quick responses - I really appreciate the help. JR and Dunks, that sounds like good advice, thanks for that. As for the offers from tisme and surrey shooter, that's incredibly kind of you to offer your time and services. If I was closer to either of you I would gladly take you up on your offer.

    There's a gun shop not far from me as it turns out, I'll give them a call and ask them to check it over.

    Thanks again to you all.

    David
     
  9. tisme

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    Ouch size 12s as well :D
    Good luck David I expect its under 12ft lb but best to check.
     
  10. adymorris

    adymorris Keyboard Hero

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    As said take it to a shop and get it tested, be safe

    Why do I always feel we are being probed/tested/measured when a new members first post starts like.... I have a gun which I think is an FAC but I have no FAC......or am I getting a little paranoid/cynical/untrusting in my old age - I may need to change my job!!!

    No offense intended David
     
  11. David1871

    David1871 Newbie

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    Thanks for the help. The gun shop tested it and it's 10.6 lbs, so ok to use. It needs the safety mending though, so I'm glad I took it in.

    I think you're being cynical adymorris. I imagine there's plenty of people like me who just don't know where to turn, and a forum stuffed full of helpful people that know what they are talking about seems a great place to start with a question. In my case, I've found the whole experience extremely useful, and I would recommend to anyone in a similar position to start with this forum.

    Thanks again everyone for all your advice and offers of help.

    David
     
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    What a nice reply. Good on you. KB1:claping:
     
  13. adymorris

    adymorris Keyboard Hero

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    I probably am David but I feel it's for the right reasons, there are an awful lot of lowlife slimy spineless anti's and media VVanker types that post very similar stuff on shooting forums in order to get a headline, If i'm being a little suspicious of similar posts from new members well I guess i'm a cynic.

    I do hope you have a great time with your airgun and make sure you come back and post some piccies - feel free to join in the conversations we are a friendly bunch once you get to know us :) :up:
     
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    I always suspicious when a new poster knows the lingo 'FAC'...I'm sure the op is genuine ,but I know what you mean
     

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