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Difference between magpie and wood pigeon breast bones?

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by Dag, Aug 17, 2014.

  1. Dag

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    I'm not sure if breast bone is the correct terminology but my question is whether there is a significant difference in the thickness of these plates between the species. I ask as I have hit a wood pigeon or two in the breast and they have flown off whereas I have hit two magpies in the same region and there has been a resounding crack and both times they have just dropped dead.
    Gurgling "magpie skeletons" I found a selection of photos and the best I could find seemed to show the magpie having such a thin breast bone that it was transparent. Short of actually diseccting one does anyone know if the magpie's is that thin?
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    It's not the bones you need to worry about mate its the thick breast meat or the pigeons crop that could be full of what ever they've been eating
    The maggie however has little meat on it and a pellet will easily pass through the chest cavity on a maggie
     
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    I took a wood pigeon last night and his breasts were like two clenched fists together. This time of year many birds and animals are eating as much as possible to gain weight for the winter, increasing there size. Plus any species of pigeon is different in its build, although they have the same bone structure.

    Ferrel and racing pigeons are usually light framed bird weighing in at 10oz, but a woodies is at a weight of 1lb plus. Also woodies have a much thicker covering of feathers to keep it warm and dry. Comparing this to a magie the wood pigeon must be 65% larger is mass making a shot placement with sub 12lb far more critical.

    Andrew
     
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    Would this be the same killzone for a collared dove? We've a plague of them here right now and they're scoffing all my chicken feed.
     
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    I find Collared Doves are best taken when perched, they keep walking about on the ground and so the only real shot is between the shoulder blades when facing away from you. Same goes for feral pigeons. When perched, you have head shots or solid breast shots or central shots from the side, these all drop them on the spot. Woodies are best taken with head shots or between the shoulder blades from the rear, or central shots from the side. I favour head shots on Woodies though within 30 yards. Magpies drop on the spot with a shot 1" up into their black bib or the other spots I mention from other directions...:up:
     
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    There is a lot of meat on a woodies breast and the breast bones are a fair bit thicker than a magpies, for the best results head shots are best for woodies-Magpies are only scrawny things in comparison and a good chest shot will kill them everytime they look bigger than they actualy are due to thier long tails but only weigh about 8oz's but a decent woodie will weigh twice that. Also woodies have very thick plummage meaning the pellets can feather ball and penatration is nowhere near what it would normaly be.
     
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    woodies take a bit of killing and maggies are just all feathers.you need to hit a woodie from base of neck upwards but any type of upper body shot will kill a maggie easily
     
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    I found this photo on the web and it seems to show not only the magpie's breast bone being pretty thin but that it is located very low down and unless shooting from below it would probably be missed by what I would have aimed for as a "chest" shot aka a heart and lung shot.
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    That's a racing or feral pigeon in your image. A body shot on a woodpigeon should only be taken side on just in front of the wing curve for a heart lung shot. If placed correctly the pigeon will drop like a stone. Shot them with .177 and .22 chest shots and very rarely do they go down.
     
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