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Dialling In V Scope Aim Points

Discussion in 'Firearms Certificate (FAC) Guns' started by Officer Barbrady, May 18, 2020.

  1. Spray1Mark

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    Hard to clean? not at all, a Tipton .17 carbon rod was a godsend and fairly new on the scene at the time, my first one cost me £23- from Norman Clark, the one I bought recently from SCG was nearer £60.

    17 Hornet is like 6BR not overbore and hence all the powder is burnt with little residue, the chamber pressure is fairly low and it's very easy on barrels, my estimation was 8-10,000 rounds before any issues and even then I am not sure I owned one for longer than that as they got sold on, Richard had a load of the pre-chambered Webley/venom barrels that were used for pre-fit 17Mach 2, he would re-chamber them and the job including the barrel was less than £200 from memory at the time and he would do it whilst you waited, off to the proof house round the corner and job done!

    I was lucky to get 1500-2000 absolute tops from a .17 Rem running the 25 grainers, Richard still has the Hornet reamers now I think if anyone wanted the job done, in fact the last person he did one for was John Whiscombe, or maybe it was a .20 Hornet he did for him I cant quite remember I will ask him.

    Couldnt reccomend a .17 Hornet highly enough, especially as now factory brass and dies are availible, in fact the dies at the time were the only downside as they were Redding category IV and had to be ordered and around £200 for the set in the early OO's!
     
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    Does it feed from the mag? the .17AH is slightly different in shape and it never worked well on a rebarelled CZ, I presume they must have fixed that now.
     
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    Back at the time I am talking Winchester brass was £10/100 from Tim Hannam trade, 20g Hornady VMAX about £9/100, Remington 7-1/2 primers (very important due to cup hardness) were around £20/1000 and VIT N110 (very small kernel so a Harrells pistol powder measure could be used) was £40 kg, a kg gave over 1300 rounds so a completed (reloaded round) was around 14 pence VS 18 pence for HMR and the .17 Hornet has 50% more effective range IMO.

    By far my favorite cartridge ever, even more than the 6mm BR, my favorite game on the hot summer days was pool cue chalks at 600 yards with the BR, great fun!
     
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    Yes feeds spot on from mag....
     
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    So these days your looking at 90p a round factory (Hornady), I did the mathes once for reloading and think it worked out around 25p per round reusing spent cases, which is then comparible to the hmr vmax's....
     
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    90p?
    Where are you managing to buy them at that price?
     
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    Last were actually more like 80p, I buy from Mallard farm barn in Wattisham, his list price is £21.50 a box but Keith always does a deal so think I paid about £20 per box (I bought a slab of cartridges, 2 boxes of .243's, 4 boxes of the 20gr hornet vmax and 4 boxes of 17gr vmax's)
     
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    To be fair Ive spent about 5k with him in the last 3 years which helps. I went self employed about a year back but prior to that was working in senior management, earning lots of money but miserable as sin. Bought lots of guns to fill the void but wasnt working so jacked it all in.

    Now back on the tools doing whatever comes up ( electrical/ property maintenance and improvements)

    Earning a quarter of what I did but happy as Larry :).

    Downside is I cant afford nice toys anymore, but worth that for a nice life balance :up:
     
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    I shoot a lot of CSR and ranges vary from 25yds to 600yds across a season and often all in one day. I have found holdover to be a useful skill or ability to have but dialling in is preferred.

    Dialling in is my preferred method, in the heat of the moment when you perhaps have 3 seconds to find target and shoot, holding off isn't always as easy as it sounds, and remembering to do it and how much is a recipe for disaster when you also have to think of your position and the other intricacies of the course of fire. It will always be easier to have the crosshairs (POA) on the target (intended POI) than have to remember and judge holdover. Having 10 shots at the same target in a short space of time dialling in makes sense to me.

    But that's not always possible. Sometimes holdover can be beneficial to make small adjustments for things like wind change etc. Also on some matches hold over becomes an advantage especially if you can see the fall of shot and you can then adjust to suit. The CQB/Urban Contact match is one where knowledge of your bullet drops at short range (less than 100yds) can really help and often catches people out, you don't always get time to adjust as you start and finish the whole course of fire in one run.

    I use a standard MilDot scope or an AGOC with BDC reticule. The ACOG really only allows hold over, the mildot I can do both. I have seen but not used some of the scopes that have multiple aim points and some look like a Christmas tree in the sight picture, Not sure how I would get on with these, I think these may be too cluttered in the sight picture with a lot of information where I should have simplicity.
     
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    I assume you shoot running man style targets and can use the mil-dots to guesstimate range?
     
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    Range estimation is not an issue at most gallery ranges as you'll know the distance to the target. On some FFRs the range estimation facility of the mildot can help a little
    On the MMTTR Dots can be helpful for the lead but knowing the aiming points on the Fig20(?) is more beneficial I find, it helps me hit more then miss
     
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    FFR? MMTR?
    I’m not very good with forum abbreviations :facepalm:
     
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    Field Firing Range and Moving Target (Mechanised Moving Target Trainer Range or something like that.)
     
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    I must say I do use both just depends on range and what rifle I am using
     
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    You can make up your own mind re drawbacks by downloading the free version of Strelok onto your phone. Once you have all the data for a rifle/ammo etc entered and saved with a 30yd zero set, you can dial up air rifle ranges and the app will show the MOA setting for that particular range by pressing Calculate. Next to the calculate button is Reticule, press that and you will see your chosen reticule come up showing your aim point.
    Personally I find dial up best for FT as after a while the settings will be remembered whereas for hunting generally you do not have time to dial and have to take a shot using hold over.
     
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    Interesting bit of kit.
    It’s fascinating seeing the way shooting is evolving. Many older shooters will have learnt holdover and under after many hours of practice and trial and error.
    Now we can grab an app and punch in some details and be told exactly where to dial or which aim point to use!
     
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    Not quite that simple, first you have to estimate your range correctly for the settings to work, some skill required.
    In my 50 odd year career with airguns I have seen it evolve from cr@ppy open sights to high spec scopes sat on guns that struggled to reach 6fpe to those that can reach our legal limit. In 63 my first gun was a gift, a 177 Haenel, it accounted for many pigeons, rat, and the odd mallard, there were no rabbits in those days due to mixy. It had open sights and you had to learn holdover pretty quick to hit anything at distance.
    Probably some of the skill has gone out of it with all the gear available now but that's what we call progress
     

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