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Advice Daystate MK4 IS-S in .177

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Capt, Sep 16, 2014.

  1. Capt

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    Hi Forum, once again your advice is most welcome on the this gun, any bad points or experiences that would stop me from buying one?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. DR2501

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    Yes, I want one first :p
     
  3. chevin

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    If its the gun you would like and the specs suit you go for it, whatever the brand or model if you kop for a good one you will be happy, as we know from forums any make can have a problem or just be amazing.
    ATB go for it.
     
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    i had a go with one at the forum meet nice piece of kit and the electric trigger is amazing once you get used to it
     
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    Have a good search on the forum (I think Milek had a fairly frank thread on here a while ago) ;)

    In terms of reasons to dissuade yourself, I'd consider the following known issues with this model:

    - Accuracy loss / pellets clipping mod due to poor shroud alignment
    - POI shift and accuracy issues due to woefully substandard barrel bracket design
    - Inconsistent velocity output throughout charge due to poor electronic compensation for pressure variation
    - Accuracy issues arising from use with magazine
    - Poorly-fitting single-shot trays
    - Generally poor fit and finish
    - Poor stock fit
    - Rattling batteries within stock
    - Specialised knowledge required to work on electronics (meaning it basically has to go back to Daystate for electronic issues)
    - Usual necessity to replace entire main board if any component faults are found (fat end of £200)
    - Exorbitant servicing costs at Daystate (circa £200)
    - Death of batteries; typically after 3ish years
    - Danger of zero product support if DS ceased to exist for any reason
    - Relatively poor residuals compared to other guns


    On the up side they are very air efficient, quiet and the ergonomics aren't bad, but that's about the only positive stuff I can say. I'd suggest you look very hard before you leap ;)
     
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    As above !!

    Have suffered rattling barrel, poor stock fitting , inconsistency and poor acuracy on a brand new fac 0.177 Mk4 iS - probably a Friday afternoon lemon special, which eventually was returned.
    The air efficiency however, was indeed exceptional!

    Check it very very carefully before you commit yourself!!
     
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  7. Kenbarcon

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    I have the Mk4 non 'is' and love it, great accuracy, feels great to hold, looks the bees knees, easy to use, never had a problem with electrics, can be serviced by other people than Daystate and for much cheaper including electronics, barrel threaded for use of multi makes of moderators with 1/2unf thread, 150 shots per fill, quality stock and overall finish is excellent, multi shot or Rowan single loader works great, only charge mine up every couple of months, barrel is free floating so no problem with barrel band.

    Its the same as any other PCP as if its a good one then it will be very good, if its not then it can be a pain.
     
  8. jesim1

    jesim1 Kit bitch to the Stars

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    I've had about a dozen of the MK4 is variants in one form or another and still have a MK4is Panther - I can honestly say the only problem I've ever had in thousands of shots has been a rattling battery which you can sort with a bit of foam - no cost. To read some of the above you would think these guns fall to bits, in fact they are a well put together 5 or 6 year old model with hundreds of really nice examples out there. Any gun can go wrong, and any gun can be a lemon, these are probably better than most, and worse than very few. As for the value - they currently retail at over £1100, and you will struggle to get even a 5 year old for less than £550 as age does not seem to put many people off these, and you will pay as much for a 1 year old as a 4 or 5 year old, it's more about the condition. If you buy well second hand you will loose literally nothing on these, they are a classic in the making, but then, others will disagree:p

    Your only in Skem, if you ever want to come and have a go with mine your welcome.

    James
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    Thats very kind of you James, I suppose it's best to consider a used one from someone you know then? One 2nd hand from a shop then could be very risky if they are that good, if you get a good one why sell it after the initial outlay?

    I was not expecting the bad points to be so bad, I know anything manufactured will have its issues my three AA springers had grease from £ land & triggers made by a cave man, but the two reports are bad for a £1000 plus gun.
     
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    Just to add, this was the only stock that fitted me like a glove & felt perfect to hold. I am looking for my 50th present to myself.......your only here once kind of logic. It's futile probably listing a post on this but I wonder if there is always a lemon out there regardless what you buy!
     
  11. milek

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    Can I just say that my concerns were observational in regards to my MK4IS. The issues I experienced were of minor import apart from the magazine affecting accuracy. I went ahead and got another Daystate MK4 shortly after. I have no real concerns with the small points I commented on other than they really shouldn't appear on a rifle this expensive. From the extensive praise levelled on this marque I was expecting excellent engineering. In reality it was mediocre. Trigger was good for sure and probably the best looking stock I saw on a Daystate.
    [​IMG]
     
  12. Kenbarcon

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    No matter which rifle make you ask about, Daystate, BSA, FX, Weihrauch etc etc you will get people who love them and can't praise them enough and then you will get those that hate them and will slag them off.
     
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    This is very true. There are always people devoted to a certain manufacturer and will only go to slate others sometimes even when they know little about them. Not saying this is the case for others that have commented on this post just that it does happen. I picked up my new mk4is in .20 on Monday and so far I can not fault it.
     
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    Very good gun but can and do go wrong just as everything else does ....iv picked a few up and the actions all rattle in the stock but would be a very easy fix atb
     
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    It is an easy fix indeed, but why on earth should an action rattle in the stock of an air rifle that is supposed to be the most advanced production gun of the maket and costs 1100 quid :confused::confused:

    My fisrt Mk4 iS was returned as faulty - will post a full report later. A month and a half later, the replacement rifle arrived this morning, with a nice rattly stock, again, despite the complaints to the factory.
     
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    The only one problem with mk4

    It's too nice to shoot and too accurate that sometimes you feel boring
     
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    Everyone Iv seen does it and your right they shouldnt but they do ...just get abit of sticky sided foam and stick to the stock and problem solved atb
     
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    darklord Can’t beat a tx200 at 30m

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    No probs with mine. Except they forgot the swp sticker. Got one next day in the post. I love mine. Pick the best wood you can find the grain variation is massive
     
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    Yes, good advice I normally only get what's been ordered upon opening the box. I am prepared to travel to get the best looking stock I can, is there any shops out there that stock a few to choose from?
     

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