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Dase And Balistas

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by hamza, Nov 10, 2019.

  1. hamza

    hamza Posting Addict

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    Yes fair point and I was planning to make sure the order clearly states it’s a sub 12 gun for this reason.
     
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    A cursory glance , I’m no solicitor of course but if it was inspected and tested and at that point pushing 32ftlbs like one of the replies above , my understanding is that from that point onwards it’s a firearm that requires a licence to not only own but to import , if we can simply buy whatever we like and if it goes wrong simply hold our hands up and say I didn’t realise and get a refund , I reckon a lot more people would be importing .

    Again , please don’t take this as scaremongering , it’s my genuine interpretation of the law , if I’m wrong i apologise .
     
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    IMO it is never wise to self import, let's be honest most of this is about saving money, not generally about something that you actually can't get in the UK (and if you can't there is likely a good reason).

    Sending the import to an RFD who hands it to you checked to be legal gives you a safety blanket that cannot be overstated, I asked an RFD to get me my .25 even though I had the slot on my FAC, so could in theory just have accepted the parcel and written it onto my own cert and then notified licensing.

    I would never do that as there are too many ways in which you can be accused of doing something unlawful, pay the extra and sleep easy it's just not worth it IMO.
     
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    Kind of my point , if and that’s a big IF the SHTF , there is two addresses on that box , one in the U.K. , one out of the U.K. , whose door they gonna knock on first , who are they more concerned about right there and then ... the bloke selling the guns or the bloke wanting the guns.

    It’s a consideration if nothing else , and that was all my input was ment to be :) .
     
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    in my case border force contacted me to say the gun had been seized and would be destroyed, and if I contested the seizure they would take me to court and would claim their costs against me , approx. £2k when they won their case, no if they won, they were that convinced they were in the right. Anyway, I contested the seizure, had to jump through all the hoops, proving I had purchased the gun, statement from the seller confirming it was uk legal etc, despite this it went to 2 further appeals and finally went to a senior officer who ruled in my favour 6 months later, once they were happy I received the gun 2 days later, full story is on the bullpupmad forum.- it was sent Parcelforce to my home address.
     
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    @badgerginger , efffing nightmare :(

    What were the grounds for seizure ?

    And reading that through it sounds like you had to do most of the work , not the seller ?
     
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    Nightmare

    So did it eventually turn up at your door at 32fpe? Or did it go to an RFD to get sorted or the seller sent another one?
     
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    That was @Bagster66

    Sounds like @badgerginger was sub 12
     
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    Yes you’re right. Sorry for the confusion.
     
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    For that reason I'd order through Airfective so they could still accept it even if it's over 12fpe
     
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    This is not particularly relevant to the question posed by the OP, but I hope it may be of assistance in the decision making process.

    I recently acquired a new 22 Matador R5M from BAR.
    During the discussion prior to purchase, I was informed that the Leyla and Matador (which share the same platform)
    do indeed use the standard Edgun reg, but is 'modified' for the UK 12fpe limit by an associate gunsmith used by BAR.
    I wasn't given anymore details than this.

    What I can say is, that following familiarisation and a general look around, the transfer port on the air cylinder has what appears to be a delrin reducer in place which is not shown on Edguns exploded parts diagram or listed as a separate part. Now I can't say with any certainty without contacting Ed that this is the case, as I have not seen first hand a factory fresh example.

    However, in light of this, it has to be said that after chrono'ing and a few clix I am very happy with the setup.
    At this stage I have yet to fire a full shot string across the chrono, so can't confirm whether or not the fpe spikes off reg.
    It has fired five hundred or so shots, is very consistent, a pleasure to shoot and managed close on 180 shots from the 300cc cylinder from 250bar down to about 110bar according to the fitted Wika guage.
    If the Leyla shares similar performance qualities of the Matador you won't be disappointed:thumb:
     
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    Agreed, the authorities here have no power over the seller.
     
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    Good for you, most would rollover! I am surprised though that they didn't not charge you for storage during that time?

    When a shipment of firearms lands at Heathrow with all the correct paperwork on it's way to or ready to be picked up by the RFD, it can be inspected and they can charge you by the day for this action no matter how long that inspection takes.
     
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    Yep, EDgun UK place a brass port restrictor into the transfer port but that’s all there is in terms of making the gun limited to sub 12.

    Having checked with Balistas though, all they will do is wind down the hammer spring adjuster I think.
     
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    @badgerginger and @Bagster66 did Balistas provide any documentation with the guns to state they are sub 12 and did your order email state they are sub 12 too?
     
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    I would love to tell you Hamza
    BUT
    I just ripped open the package and went outside to play :)
    I have literally no memory of anything since :D
     
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    the last guns I got from balistas were kalibrgun capybaras, both fitted with hammer springs so the guns only produced 7.5 joules with a note stating such, they also included a full length hammer spring which if fitted produced 30 ftlbs, so this needed about 2-3 coils removing to achieve around 11.5 ftlbs. with the original mutant that was seized, the hammer spring tensioner was wound fully in and the gun was producing 30 ftlbs when it was delivered to me, whether that was messed around with by customs or sent that way I can`t say but obviously and luckily for me it wasn`t tested by the border force. Also I should point out to those that don`t know, that balistas were raided by Interpol for supplying front venting blank guns into the uk where they could be modified to fire live rounds and were being used by criminal gangs both in the uk and abroard. Subsequently, in collaboration with the uk police and other eu forces, Interpol seized the customer data base from balistas and executed a raid on some of the customers on that list. I know this for a fact because I was one of those visited. I had 4 police officers , 2 armed. knock on my door one morning. Following a filmed interview I had to show them what guns I bought from them on their website, when and how I paid for them, they were more than happy with my answers and could see I was just an enthusiast and not part of a gun running ring. After looking at my gun collection and chatting about my local firearms range which they knew very well, they were on their way. Hopefully balistas have tightened up their act since the Interpol visit and everything is in order for now and the future. cheers tim.
     
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    So why did they seize the gun at all then? What made them decide it’s not legal?

    Also did you have to specifically ask for the note about power or was that standard procedure for them?
     
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    It was seized on 15th march 2016, no reason given and 30 days to appeal which I did. 26th march received a reply, asking for proof of ownership of the gun, ie receipt of purchase to continue the case and to start magistrate proceedings. again I was warned of claims against me for their costs, and once condemnation proceedings start I am liable even if I decide to back out, still no reason for seizure. April 20th reply.- the rifle was seized under section 139 of the customs and excise act 1979.and liable for forfeiture under section 49(1)(b) of the act because they are deemed prohibited and contravene the violent crime reduction act 2006. The officer dealing with my case has decided that there are no exceptional circumstances that would justify a departure from the commisioner`s policy and confirms that the taipan rifle will not be restored. He is aware of my intention to challenge the decision in the magistrates court and has made his decision under the assumption that the court will find the seizure lawful. My understanding of the reason is that under UK law an RFD cannot post a gun to the buyers address , but an RFD ouside the UK but within the EU can, so I continued my appeal. May 9th, told my case was being looked at again by another border force officer not connected with the case and given 14 days to withdraw my court proceedings again with the threat of costs against me when the court finds the seizure legal. BUT this time I got the actual reason the officer seized my mutant,- his actual words were- I tried to import a taipan mutant air rifle and was liable to forfeit because it was deemed as prohibitive and contravened the violent crime act 2006, because the border force officer considered the weapon was a realistic firearm! July 11th still no news from Border Force, went very quiet for 4 weeks.in this time I joined the BASC and asked them for advice, no replies from them so couldn`t count on their support, received a lot of support from the bullpupmad lads. July 14th finally received a reply from the Border Force letting me know that my case was being reviewed by a senior officer. August 12th, following a phone conversation with the higher officer he was very apologetic and said he had reviewed the case and had ruled in my favour and the taipan was to be restored to me. Result. hopefully if it happens again to anyone, don`t be afraid to stand up for yourself if you think you are in the right, its all too easy for them if you don`t appeal and accept their reason for seizure. sorry for the long winded explanation.
     
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