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completely baffled on which gun to buy

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by marcpencott, Feb 6, 2014.

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  1. marcpencott

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    Hello all

    Introduced myself on the appropriate forum.

    I dont want to spend much, ie less than £150 new, I have the chance of a Webley Eclipse but its been abused, no Iron sights, dry fired umpteen times from people messing about that havent got a clue what they are doing, I had a few shots of it and it seemed ok a bit heavy with the very heavy zos sight on it.
    I'd prefer not to buy chinese or turkish. German, english or spanish is preferred.

    I guess I should give a shorlist of what I would like and see if you lads and lasses can come up with something

    Less than £150
    .22
    break barrel
    option to add silencer

    Ive been out the game for 20 years so any advice will be much appreciated.
    On another point I used to have written permission at Lord Youngers estate in Stirling, in the 1970's early 80's which was immense, it was fantastic shooting and the scenery was spectacular.

    thanks
    Marc
     
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    If I were you I would buy the HW99 thats for sale in Thirsk, not sure you can get much better than that
     
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    If you're adamant on going brand new,I can't think of anything but the turkish Hatsan Mod60s, £100 brand new,Walnut stock,proper 2 stage trigger and you can fit a silencer later or a tuning kit if you want to push it further.

    http://www.airgunforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/174194-Hatsan-Mod55s-perfect-budget-setup

    Second hand,you will probably pick up a HW99 somewhere pretty cheap.

    Edit. If you hold out long enough and fancy a bit of restoration work you might find a nice Weihrauch springer in the for sales that just needs a bit of tlc
     
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    mikemjm can you post a link I cant find it

    thanks
    marc
     
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    I have a .177 Mk1 Eclipse bought new around 1989. It's always been an excellent gun and I still use it now even though I have a Weihrauch HW100S PCP. A gunsmith local(ish) to me will service an Eclipse for £40 plus parts and I'm about to take it in for him to do that. Don't worry about iron sights - I think you can buy replacements if you really want them but I took mine off 24 years ago when I fitted the scope and never put them back on. As for power, it's running at just over 9 ft-lbs at the moment and I'm told to expect 10 ft-lbs max: that's plenty for dropping birds, rats, rabbits, etc.

    It's an underlever rather than a break-barrel, obviously, and it isn't cut for a standard ½” UNF silencer although it should have an air stripper fitted as standard which suppresses some of the noise. There's a ½” UNF adaptor available for about £5 so if you want to you can fit a standard silencer (which I have done).

    Given the option though, I'd go for a Weihrauch!
     
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    If you want new you're not going to get anything German or English for £150 (you won't get an English break-barrel full stop as Air Arms don't make one, "BSA" springers are Gamos (Spanish) and "Webley" springers are Hatsans (Turkish).

    This brings you back to offerings from Spain (Gamo, Norica, Cometa), China (SMK and all the other cheap clones) and Turkey (Hatsan).

    Personally I'd avoid Gamo like the plague as their products are utter, utter crap that are designed to appeal to kids and last until 1 minute after the warranty expires. SMK stuff is OK providing you're savvy with tuning, prepared to put the time in and expect less than nothing in terms of after-sales service. Finally, a Hatsan would be my choice - well built, unpretentious and with the best trigger you'll get on a new gun at that price (55/60s).

    Alternatively a used HW99s could be a better way to go, providing you do your homework..
     
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    Should read the next bit,bang your head a little harder and you will knock some sense into it :p
     
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    I should stay clear of that Webley Eclipse as it's not a gun that can take abuse because it has an alloy cylinder not steel and as you say that it's been neglected and abused, dry fired,not properly lubricated etc,I expect the inside of the cylinder is in a poor state(badly scored)as well as other possible defects.
     
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    As said.the webley you have been offered is probably a hatsan remodel,which is turkish.
     
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    Some excellent advice given already, if none of the aforementioned rifles don't float your boat for your budget of £150 then the only way forward would be to sit tight for a while, save hard and purchase something that better fits your needs.
    Regards, Stu
     
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    I think you'll find that BSA now make the Lightning again in the UK although you won't get a new one for £150.

    Lightning's are a bit of a Marmite gone. Some owners swear by them, and its surprising how many professional vermin extreminatirs use them. However, others wouldn't use them as a door stop.

    If that's your budget then you would be far better off looking for a tidy second hand rifle. I've only ever bought one brand new rifle, the rest being 2nd or 3rd hand. The difficulty you have however, if you want a British made springer then the Air Arms would still be above your budget along with some of the older Webleys. You may be able to get one of the many BSA models for £150 although it may not be much aesthetically. Guntrader have a few worth considering.
     
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    If you've got £150 to spend on a gun your best bet would be a Hatsan Mod 60s about £130 which would leave you enough for a gunslip and some pellets.There's a test on this gun in the march issue of AirGun Shooter and it comes out favourably.These are well made strong guns with a good trigger and a walnut stock offering tremendous value for money.There are one or two airgun snobs on here who pass an opinion probably never having owned one or even shot one.
     
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    £130 is way over priced, £90 brand new
     
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    I think the eclipse was made by Webley & Scott because it's a fairly old model when they were in Birmingham
     
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    I would still go Hatsan 60S,brand new with fully working iron sights and a warranty
     
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    Not in my part of the country.I think you'll have a job to find a brand new one for £90 now.If you can it's a gift at that price you'd be able to get a scope as well !
     
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