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Advice collard dove

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by guyver, May 10, 2012.

  1. guyver

    guyver Busy Member

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    hi guys got some collard doves in the garden craping on everthing includeing my cats any good ideas on how to bait them down on to the garden floor?
     
  2. Donki Oaty

    Donki Oaty Post Whore

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    It's illegal to bait birds mate!
     
  3. Oilysean

    Oilysean Very Active

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    as above.
     
  4. guyver

    guyver Busy Member

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    ok then no problem ill just wait for them to come down on there own thank you for the knowledge
     
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    although you have been told the answer now, it's a good reason to read through the general license now, to educate yourself on stuff you can or cant do
     
  6. steevie dan

    steevie dan Keyboard Hero

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    Get a dove box in the garden, they are nice to watch :)
     
  7. SteveA

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    if you putout seed to attract local song birds and the doves come in eating everything crapping everywhere wouldnt it be within the general license to dispose of the doves?
     
  8. hypoboy

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    No. You can't shoot birds under general license in a typical garden setting, as there's no justification in doing so.

    It's only justifiable if they're causing crop damage which can't reasonably be controlled by other means, or if they pose a major risk to public health, ie. causing risk of structural damage to a building, pollution of a water supply, etc, rather than just a bit of crap.
     
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  9. guyver

    guyver Busy Member

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    ok then no problem altho if there in the garden and pooing everyware dosent that spread disease just wondering
     
  10. bunnyblatter

    bunnyblatter Pro Poster

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    I would of thought if they're crapping everywhere and you've exhausted all other methods ;) then shooting them would be considered fair
     
  11. hypoboy

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    Not really, unless it's on something you're handling and you don't wash your hands before eating :eek:

    The public health general license actually says:

    In respect to the species listed at paragraph 2(i)(a) and 2(ii) above, this licence can only be relied on in circumstances where the authorised person is satisfied that appropriate legal methods of resolving the problem such as scaring and proofing are either ineffective or impracticable.

    There aren't really many domestic scenarios where either netting or bird scarers can't be used, so shooting is effectively ruled out.
     
  12. hypoboy

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    A bloke near me thought that, back in the days when Starlings were under general license. He effectively became the case law now used to prosecute similar cases.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1613759.stm

    Unfortunately, the days of trying to argue the case for garden shooting are probably long gone, unless you've got several acres and grow all your own food. The risk's just not worth it.
     
  13. bunnyblatter

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    But surely the statement above saying you've tried scaring etc etc counts as exhausting all methods as I said ???
     
  14. hypoboy

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    Public health license or pest control one?

    Public health - no chance. There simply isn't a scenario in a typical home where public health is threatened by birds. Empty domestic property maybe, but not your own home.

    Pest control - As it's a criminal offence (rather than a civil one), if a neighbour reported you and it ended up in court, you'd need to provide evidence to substantiate the fact you'd tried every humane option and some form of explanation as to why proven methods of deterrent failed. The court are likely to ask for documentary evidence to show you at least discussed the matter with a professional before killing them as a last ditch measure.

    You could of course lie under oath and just hope you get away with it. Personally, not something I'd do for several reasons. The most notable of which being something called Grazers which works and doesn't really have a counter-arguement with a domestic veg patch.

    Like I say, the days for arguing are well passed. If we try, we run the risk of the license being amended to allow licensed firearm control only. The risk's just not worth it when the fields are full of stuff you can reasonably shoot.
     
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    But if you had tried ALL methods then could you realistically shoot them ?
    I aren't being argumentative but if you could prove you'd tried all methods then surely that would satisfy the terms of the general license ?
     
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    so, tell us how you would put across your case
    with pest control, killing is always the last option
    so stop having a bird table
    put bird scarers up of all sorts
    run around garden waving your arms

    is it worth it, for one or two occassional doves/pidgeons, which as already stated, can legally be shot on a farmers field
     
  17. Accuspell

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    No true sportsman shootsthe birds around his home. Gamekeepers generally have a garden full of birds, including pigeons. As said before by someone else, they are nice to have around the garden. We have a pair that will come onto the bird table while we are eating out, not 10 feet from them. Lovely.
     
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    It's not about being a sportsman is it if they're sh!tting everywhere ??
     
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    Surely using decoys or a rabbit with its entrails out to attract a bird is baiting? Both common practices from what I have read?
     
  20. Crab Doctor

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    Is the fowling to such a degree as to cause a REAL health risk? I doubt it with Collard Doves, they are not usually in high enough numbers compared to feral pigeons for example. They might do one or two in a tree but so do sparrows and starlings and its not open season on them is it?
     
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