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Climate Change Debate, What To Believe?

Discussion in 'General chit chat' started by EastmidsHD, Sep 25, 2019.

  1. 2506sendero

    2506sendero Legend in his own mind & living on the edge.

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    Hysterics & upset?
    Please enlighten me and show me the posts ?
    It was your sweeping generalisation and the usual condescending manner of your replies that got the response from me Bill, you just presume that everyone on the planet gets their opinions from FaceAids or the Daily Fail, and i genuinely dont do either.
    In a previous post you said that we should "Agree to disagree my friend" but if you post things that i disagree with you will still get a response im afraid.
    If you don't like what i say, just block me or ignore, i really don't mind.
     
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  2. Wild Bill

    Wild Bill co2 Pistol Enthusiast & Western fan

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    Ok whatever. I get your usual bluntness and rude manner, but my question is still valid to you. Where do you get your anti climate change facts from? And I don't block anyone on here, no matter what they say or express against me. I'm too old to be bothered about things like that.:thumb:

    I take it you disagree with Professor Cox for example?
     
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  3. 2506sendero

    2506sendero Legend in his own mind & living on the edge.

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    Everybody is subjected to this climate change debate unless they live in a cave with no TV or radio, and i just make my own mind up about things like a lot of people, but don't try to ram my opinions down othet peoples throats.
    Thanks for the video, but i won't be watching it as it may make me "hysterical & upset" and i much prefer to watch You-Tube videos about guns, knives & other stuff anyway.
    Have a nice weekend.
     
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  4. Wild Bill

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    That's fine. Thanks for answering. I apologise as I presumed(wrongly on my part)that you had an informed opinion on this particular subject. All the best and you too have a nice weekend. :up::):shrug:
     
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    2506sendero Legend in his own mind & living on the edge.

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    Your more than welcome Sir!

    I have - and it's mine :thumb:
     
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    I certainly disagree with him cherry picking data like he has with that graph. Its disingenuous, he knows better than that.

    The climate cycle is about 120,000 years, looking at dozens, or hundreds, or even 1,000s of years tells us nothing about the big picture. Its like trying to work out how a car works by only studying an indicator bulb.

    A more interesting question is: why have temperatures just plateaued over the last 10,000ish years instead of rising to a sharp peak like they did in the previous cycles?
     
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  7. PW1

    PW1 Shooting the breeze.

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    Maybe it from the same source you get your pro-biased climate change information from, now don't get nasty like you usually do when questioned.

    Regards
    Peter
     
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  8. Wild Bill

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    Come on Peter. It's not me that gets nasty and you haven't questioned me. Lets be civil. I won't be goaded. Now, where do you get your anti climate change facts from? :up::) I really would be interested in reading the sources.
     
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  9. Wild Bill

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    OK, thanks for the answer mate.:up: Is he cherry picking though? There are many more scientists saying the same things. I tend to believe science hence why I am an Atheist but I am open to debate. If you listen to the chap he's talking too, he sounds like a right nutjob.
     
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    I'd say deliberately picking a timescale which only shows the trend you are selling is cherry picking.

    Put it this way if this is the only data I showed you what would you assume the trend is?

    [​IMG]
     
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    PW1 Shooting the breeze.

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    I can show you threads in which you do get nasty, if you would like. I just don't believe you are interested in reading sources that go against the sources that you have decided to believe in. If you are interested just look at sources that say the climate change lobby is false/fake/hokum. It's good that you won't be goaded, neither will I.

    If there was a debate about it, then that debate is well and truly dead on the forum, A mod has declared that climate change is real, even though it's not, and used phrases like "complete imbecile" and "selfishly dismissive" I can't imagine anyone arguing with a mod, they may get their account moderated as Scott's has been or even banned.

    Regards
    Peter
     
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    Interesting... you object to "complete imbecile" and "selfishly dismissive" which I understand - but how else do you describe people who revel in their stubborn refusal to accept everyday hard evidence, in preference to THEORIES that fit their own agenda to dismiss any actions that might impinge on their own selfish lifestyles?
    (This may or may not apply to you - I haven't gone back to read any previous posts)...;)
     
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  13. Wild Bill

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    Interesting. I didn't see where the Moderator killed the debate, he merely gave his opinion, which I notice you didn't go on the offensive to him about. But we will leave it there shall we? Lets not argue if debate is not going to happen. All the very best.:thumb:
     
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    Greta Thunberg apparently has powers previously unknown to science: Her mother has claimed that her daughter possesses the unique ability to see carbon dioxide with the naked eye.

    Er ... right.
     
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    Mind boggling family upbringing and behind the scenes shenanigans, there is no wonder she has serious issues.
     
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    You mean like refusal to accept everyday hard evidence at the time that the earth is flat, or that the sun orbits the earth. There's plenty of evidence that climate change is not happening the way climate changers say it is happening and the cause of it, but I accept they will never believe that evidence because of their stubborn refusal to accept that their opinions are at best, just opinions. They have decided to invest in one theory and anyone who doesn't invest in that same theory is a "complete imbecile" and "selfishly dismissive". I have no intention, desire or willingness to pay into their theory, but I will accept that if they are so convinced they can make a difference then go right ahead, but don't expect me or anyone else who doesn't believe their theory, to pay towards it. I know we will still end up paying something towards it, because the idiots in Parliament also believe, for the moment.

    Of course you didn't because you agree with him. It is not wise to argue with any mod.

    Regards
    Peter
     
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    some important facts about kiribati there james, hand picked to suit your view.
    there are some equally important facts about kiribati that you havent mentioned, because they dont suit your view :D
    in an effort to redress the imbalanced view of your post, i'll mention some points you forgot to :thumb:
    many scientists say about kiribati ''atols constantly expand and erode, as storms and tides deposit material on one side, as they wash away from t'other side'' many scientists believe the islands will shift rather than sink.
    you claim people build their houses on stilts because of rising sea levels. professor richard bedford claims '' population growth is the major issue, people are already having to build their houses on stilts into the lagoon, due to lack of space''
    ''sea walls and causeways create erosion, and can be considered the greatest environmental disaster, as they block the flow of water between the lagoon and ocean'' kiribati cheif coastal engineer, cliff jullerat adds ''without the oceans washing effect, lagoons have become heavily polluted, and theres serious problems with domestic rubbish and excrement''
    a bbc report reads ''overcrowding, burials, and open defecation means the water supply is contaminated to the point of being undrinkable''
    ''one man next to the fuel depot, told the bbc reporter that the water was contaminated with petrol, dipped a stick into it, and set fire to it for the cameraman'' it also reads ''sea walls and causeways contribute to erosion, as the sandbags used are filled from the beach'' :facepalm:
    ''local factors like poorly engineered causeways and land reclamation affect tides more significantly than climate change''
    a report in 2003 stated ''change caused by humans on kiribati, is likely to exceed any impact by natural sea level change''
    the new zealand government report adds ''tarawa will run dry, as the water supply wont keep up with population growth''
    hmmmm sounds to me that kiribati are wrecking their paradise, and then blaming everyone else :eek:

    climate change debate, what to believe ? i honestly dont know, because people are hell bent on being selective with facts.
    most people know that something needs to be done, and i half admire the determination of climate enthusiasts, but i dont think they're grasping the real problem. mr attenborough made his views known on overpopulation, but it didnt go down well for some reason.
    one of the last comments he made on the subject was ''as long as numbers continue to grow, then the value of every other action we take will be cancelled out''
    its just my view, but that statement is where its really at, and if we're serious about saving the planet, thats the place to start :)
     
  18. Wild Bill

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    You seem to have a chip on your shoulder towards the mods but isn't it best to debate rather than argue despite who the member is? I do value others points of view and if they present real factual evidence I will change my opinion. I would change my opinion if you presented factual evidence.
    regards
    Bill
     
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    I think global warming must be real it’s nearly October and I’m still wearing shorts.
     
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    Hi,

    I was making a quick example in response to someone stating categorically that sea levels are not rising. And you are correct, my first hand observation of what's happening Kiribati carries no more significance than the person to whom I was responding observation that the sea looks no different in his area.

    However, there are hundreds of monitoring stations throughout the globe measure the water depth. Some are trending downwards due to local variations in the tide, but the vast majority are trending upwards. Averaged, these hundreds of individual measurements give the state of global sea levels (this is backed up by satellite measurement and other methods). There can be no dispute that this averaged figure is increasing, thus globally the sea level is rising. So unless someone is disputing the raw data I don't see how they can question sea level rise.

    James
     
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