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Cleaning patch stuck in barrel

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Danny_HoldoverTV, Jan 25, 2014.

  1. Danny_HoldoverTV

    Danny_HoldoverTV Engaging Member

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    Morning all, any advice on how to remove a stuck cleaning patch half way down my HW100 .177 barrel? The first go on my new Napier pull through and the loop cord snapped. I've looked for some wooden dowel but couldn't find any with a small enough diameter. Not keen on the idea of using a threaded bar as it will probably damage the rifling. It's pretty stuck in there,

    cheers,
    danny
     
  2. andy draper

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    Have you tried dry firing it to see if it will "shoot" out?
    andy.
     
  3. ratman60

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    hello, you could try what andy says but i would rather use a proper rod type barrel cleaner than a pull through as long as its made from brass and alloy, mine is a bisley set. i never use brush only wool mop. pop in to your local rfd, as for the pull through if you bought local take it back or phone napiers at their didcot oxfordshire office/ warehouse
     
  4. Danny_HoldoverTV

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    Yep tried shooting it out. Not sure my RFD will have the kit as it's only a tackle shop that does a bit of air guns on the side. Anyone in somerset area able to help??
     
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    Wire coat hanger with insulation tape well wrapped round the sharp end.One of those car aerials made of fibre glass.I know these sound billy botchit but needs must.
    andy.
     
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    I've used bamboo skewers before, you'll need two or three, cut the pointed ends off sqaure otherwise they jam into each other in the barrel.

    Dave
     
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    Whatever you do make sure you push it back through the breech, if it reaches the choke you could have a serious problem.
    Brass rod is your best bet, wrap the end in tape and gently tap it back through. If that doesn't work then it's a job for a gunsmith, if you get stuck you could try Julian at Bond Guns, he's based in Bridgwater. I believe there's a place in Wellington or Avalon in Street, Rules in Somerton as well.
    Good luck.
     
  8. Alex.B

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    Have you got a rc model shop near ? They will have plenty of different size carbon rod that should do the trick. :)
     
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    can you get hole of an old fishing rod the top tip is a perfect size to remove things from a barrel
     
  10. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    4mm dowel either wood, plastic or carbon, or a decent cleaning rod set!
     
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    Hope you don't use these in PCPs,since you can't access the breech to get the rod down,cleaning muzzle to breech will cause some problems.thats why pull through kits are preffered.
     
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    As said a wooden or plastic dowel will be the best bet so as not to damage the rifling, be careful when pushing the patch out of the breech end, as there is a small O ring in a recess in the breech. If you dislodge it, you'll have very erratic power and accuracy issues.

    You might want to check the O ring is still in tact anyway, as if the patch is snug, it could already have dislodged the O ring, for now concentrate on clearing the barrel, remove the barrel if need be ;)
     
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    hello, i have been shooting airguns over 50 years and a welder / engineer by trade , my alloy rod and wool mop are very suitable for my PCPs and i have 4 . using a wool mop and white spirit from the barrel end does not damadge the internal seal or the rifling on a pcp as long as you are carefull not to go past the seal so i mark the rod exactley where the pellet stops when loaded. as for cleaning a spring air rifle barrel and i have done so many it would be the same way but from the breech end and i dont pull it back and forth prefere to take out barrel end and start again, as many do when buying a new rifle to give first clean to get rid of any grease/oil swarf etc so with a pcp i put tissue in from breech to just past seal and clean as indicated. my S410 has not had a clean since and had over 5,000 pellets through and shoots spot on.
     
  14. mattyts

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    Not everyone would know or think about the seals in a pcp thats why I advised a pull through because they are pretty fool proof...unless the cord snaps :eek:
    I've always been taught and advised to clean in the direction the pellet shoots,thats why I use pull through kits in all my guns,including springers where i have the choice to use a rod kit or a pull through,I always pick the pull through.

    When i get a new gun,I always clean the barrel to get rid of all the stock grease from the factory,then I clean it when swapping pellets or when the accuracy starts to drop.
     
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    Cleaning from the muzzle used to be a real problem when steel cleaning rods were issued (in the military) as they could easily damage the crown and cause erratic accuracy. Plastic coated rods and those made of soft materials should not cause any such problems.
    Air rifles don't suffer from the fouling and corrosion problems that can happen with guns using copper jacketed bullets and primer/powder. Modern primers are non-corrosive and the powders burn very well so this is not such a problem as it might have been years ago although care should be taken if using ex-military ammo.
    The issue of when and how often to clean an air rifle is a topic which has been discussed many times before and is a matter of personal preference, certainly once the new barrel has been thoroughly degreased.
    My personal preference, after many years of shooting centrefire rifles, is to clean from the breech end and I prefer to use a rod. This is not such an issue with air rifles which should clean easily using patches until they come out perfectly clean, this can take some time. Whether you use a rod or a pull through the patches should fit the bore well but should not be so tight as to make it difficult to get them through the bore, best to start with small ones and slowly increase the size until they feel right.
     
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    Whether using a rod or a pull through, care must always be taken when cleaning barrels, i have seen the odd pull through that has had a steel crimp to hold the loop in place :eek:

    Also as i mentioned earlier, breech O rings can get dislodged with rods or pull through's

    The steel rod and wool mop are fine for air gun barrels, i must say i prefer a pull through but, i find the rod method quicker ;)
     
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    I make my pull through kits out of 100 lb test monofilament,twisted and with a loop at the end,have tried my hardest to snap one but can't.Im not sure what the napier ones are made from,looks like plastic coated wire from the pics?
     
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    Get a 1/8" brazing, or aluminium alloy welding, rod from local friendly neighbourhood welder.
    Soft enough to avoid barrel damage but tough enough to clear the wad. If it doesn't move easy don't compact it. Thread the rod end to screw into the wad and rip out bit by bit.
    Works on other jammed items too. A bloke brought me one with a few pellets "up the spout"
     
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    no you all got it wrong the best thing is what i use which is a length of 2.4mm aluminum TIG wire which is used in welding and will even rod stuck pellets and never damage the bore as its so soft i have all ways got a rod of it handy even up at our range hut of the farm i live on
     
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    Nobody got anything wrong, just different methods
     

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