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Carp without gil covers?

Discussion in 'Fishing' started by RyRy, Apr 4, 2014.

  1. RyRy

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    The Carp in the river here have just started making their way to the surface again now all the insects are out and trees are in full bloom. Took this little fella off the surface recently and thought he'd been attacked with an axe or something. After looking closely I realised it wasn't a wound and it appeared to have grown that way. I can't find anything concrete as to what the problem is, but an article I read referred to fish not growing gils because and some point in their younger days the water had low oxygen levels, therefore they don't produce the Gil cover so they can take in more oxygen. Has anyone else ever come across anything like this before? [​IMG]
     
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    Never seen a carp or any fish like that. Have you caught anymore like that I would of said someone may of cut them off wen it was small but I could be wrong atb
     
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    Never seen that before..
     
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    It's really weird right? Like I say, looked it up and that's the only explanation it came up with (oxygen levels etc). It's only on one side as well. Was fairly freaked out to start with when I turned the fish over.
     
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    this time of year frogs etc cling to fish backs (if they can't find a female frog)....maybe gill cover got ripped off that way....or in a net with rough handling?
     
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    No signs of it having been ripped off to be fair. Literally looked like it had just grown (or rather not grown) like that.
     
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    From experience that condition is usually genetic, I was a breeder of tropical discus cichlids for many years and observed missing operculum condition when I mated certain fish together. The fish can survive but it leaves the lamellae open to attack from flukes and other aquatic parasites.
     
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    Is it fairly common?
     
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    It is in discus, short operculum's mainly.... sometimes it's caused by a bacterial infection in the fry stage or caused by flukes but the missing ones like this carp are genetic!

    Bearing in mind carp can breed fry into the tens of thousands at a time the potential to ruin the future stock of the pool is huge, If that were my fish it would be culled sadly!

    One fishery I use is prolific with catches easily into the 1000lb figures during a day but almost every fish is genetically ruined, missing and weird eyes, gills missing, odd fin placement/missing fins!

    The fishery don't care as long as they are making money!
     
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    So, as bad as it sounds, do you think if I were to catch said fish again I should either cull or move it? I'm guessing genetic imperfects can result from the inbreeding of the fish? The area I fish is a military base I live on (we have a river running through with weirs at the top, middle and bottom effectively splitting it up). There's another smaller river running the perimeter that we are usually encouraged to put the jack pike in if we catch any, should I put it there?
     
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    Have a chat with the owner of the water and see what they say, that fish will breed each year and produce thousands of the same! If they agree to let you cull it I would, use a priest and smack it on the noggin! Don't be tempted to eat carp as they are slow growing fish and store heavy metals like mercury and other pollutants in their flesh which can be harmful to us.

    Here are examples of genetic defects on the lake I fish, breaks my heart to see fish like this as I am passionate about them.
     
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    With it being on MOD land I'm guessing it's the MOD Who own it. Oh I have no intention of eating them. Even though the reason this river is FULL of carp is because the monks here (original priory still on camp, now the officers mess) used to farm and eat them. Below the second weir waterfall you can still see the outline of one of the wooden pens they kept some in. I'd imagine the EA should notice them soon enough as they are due to dredge 70 years worth of silt that's built up soon. The river used to be around a constant 8ft deep but is now around 4ft in it's deepest areas. It's only taken 1 death for them to realise that amount of silt is a health and safety issue when it comes to the unlucky people who fall in..
     
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    Here's a common I saw last year, couldn't tell if it was ready to spawn or had swallowed a bowling ball..[​IMG]
     
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    Definitely inbreeding as the fish have been corralled over the years, Funny enough your fish doesn't look like a priory or moat carp, it looks like the more modern European variety!

    An old priory lake I fish on has really long, shallow bodied, sleek carp, they scrap like crazy despite their lack of bulk. Shame about the gills as otherwise it looks like a nice healthy fish!
     
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    Oh . you should see the "top" section of the lake. In the summer you can literally see hundreds of carp on the surface, mirror, leather, common, grass and even a few koi up and down the full stretch. There's a LOT of long bodied carp on the river. Much prefer the carp from a flowing river like this as well because they always seem to put up more of a fight than lake fish. I've even mistaken some of the chub here for carp before landing them. The common are good looking fish here though. Majority of the photos are on my dads phone. That was a nice little mirror one of the lads had the other day and then had a 16lb koi the next day (called the Hindu because of its distinctive black diamond on its forehead. We've all been after it for years) [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]
     
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    River fish always give a better fight because they spend their whole life fighting the current of the water,makes for better fishing :)
     
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    Exaaaaactly ((;
     
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    this is something that ive been interested in, i also caught a carp in a local lake without one gil cover one side. didnt look sore or anything and baffled me.

    great info here

    All the best

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    Caught thousands of carp in my time and never seen anything like that. Poor little fella.
     

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