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Can someone explain to me how difficult or easy getting a shotgun is in the UK?

Discussion in 'Shotguns (SGC)' started by Batz, Jul 5, 2015.

  1. Blue BSA

    Blue BSA Busy Member

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    I am not going to get into an argument over this issue.

    I have pointed you to the licensing guide and the relevant section in the relevant acts, where as all you have done is an express an opinion. I cannot see why anybody would have any difficulty in interpreting the legislation as it is quite direct unlike a good number of acts.

    And I did say that it would be better when the police visit if you were diplomatic and gave a reason, but that is in variance with the statute. Sadly as we are seeing in many areas the police think they are law makers when they are not.

    I will leave it there.
     
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    Iv got 2 labs and a cocker. I might give it a go then I just didn't want to waste my time and the FAO if there was no chance cheers

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    It’s a terrible myth that is spread all over.

    It’s so easy to give a valid reason to own a shotguns you say.
    Yet many people fall into the trap of not giving a proper reason because of the nonsense that is spread about saying it’s your right, you don’t need a reason, the police can only refuse you if you are a danger and all the rest.
    Such a nightmare for many people over a a couple of hours prep.
     
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    Cocker is a good choice. Lab men should not be allowed to shoot anyway :)
    Give it a go I am sure you will be fine.
    Good luck!
     
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  5. Blue BSA

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    Yes. You would be a plank not to be nice to them (and our local lot are nice lads, perhaps to easily bribed with biscuits) but the law is there in black and white.
     
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    Please stop spreading this rubbish it’s wrong and can cause people problems.
     
  7. Blue BSA

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    Right as I said I wanted to leave this issue alone now. As I said you would be silly not to be diplomatic with the police and provide a reason. And to be honest if a person doesn't grasp that then they are probably are not suited to being owner of any firearm. It appears what I am saying is beyond your grasp and I think sadly I will have to put you on ignore. I have pointed both to the licensing guide and statute, all you have done is emote.
     
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    And what you pointed me too proved my point.
    If you don’t have a good reason the police can refuse to grant you a SGC.
    This is below is total nonsense.
    Stop being a muppet and spreading stupid myths.
     
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    Wow I opened a can of worms! I will I think see if I can attend and shoot clays at a club and take things from there.
     
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    Perfect and correct answer well put. :up:
     
  11. Blue BSA

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    Well go back read what I said the statute is clear. But as I said for 'real world reasons' you should be 'diplomatic'. One of the big problems we face as firearms owners in this country is ignorance in our own ranks of the various statutes and acts. I am constantly amazed how given that it is not a trivial process to acquire either an FAC or SGC how little some appear to know about not only their newly acquired license but the sphere in general.
     
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    The statute seems clear. The police can refuse if they do not believe you have valid reason. As such, no, there is no burden but if you refuse to give a valid reason then they are perfectly within the law to refuse, because they've no evidence to suggest you've a valid reason.
     
  13. Blue BSA

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    The burden lies with the 'police': semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit.

    I am not going to discuss it further.



     
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    Well under the firearms amendment act 1988 mentioned above if you cannot satisfy the chief police officer that you have a good/valid reason to own/possess a shotgun, such as clay or vermin shooting perhaps, or that he the CPO doesn't think your reason for owning a shotgun is valid then that means he the chief police officer has the right to refuse the granting of a SGC. So yes in other words you have to have a good reason it's as simple as that otherwise a SGC won't be granted. It just means that if you have a good reason and you can satisfy the other requirements regarding safekeeping and storage etc then unless the CPO can prove otherwise then a certificate has to be granted.
    If you apply for a SGC and when asked why you want one and your reply is," no particular reason but just thought i might give clay pigeon shooting a try at some time in the future perhaps ". I think your chances of obtaining one would be fairly slim.
    That's how i see it.
     
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  15. Blue BSA

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    Well I see it how the current licensing guidelines see it. Sort of cuts out the confusion.
     
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    I see it as the law explicitly states it, as per your own post. If they don't believe you have a valid reason, they can refuse a license.
     
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    Totally, “ Because I want one! “ is not a valid reason
     
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    Clay pigeon shooting :thumb: game shooting :thumb:vermin shooting :thumb: home defence :rolleyes: beacause I want some :down: ,mike
     
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    Just dragging it around back to the original question. One thing I noticed when I restarted shooting is that you now needed a licence to buy shotgun cartridges. "When I were a lad" you could just go in and provided you were over 17 (I think) buy them over the counter of the gunshop.
     
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    I would not tell the feo it's for home defence (even if that's the reason you want one) .....that would probably be seen as a good reason not to give you the licence, clay pigeon shooting at local places and your good to go (and then it's in the house ready for home defence)
     

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