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Can my PCP be adjusted to FAC power?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Oat, Oct 23, 2015.

  1. Oat

    Oat Very Active

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    Firstly let me state i have no interest in how this is done, nor do i really want advice about how it is done.

    I am trying to fathem out the cost of getting an FAC. If i did get FAC, could my BSA Ultra SE be upgraded by a gunsmith, or do i need to buy a new gun? And what sort of range would a .22 FAC air rifle be able to shoot (kill bunnies) at?

    I have another gun so i would still have a sub 12ft/lb for where non FAC power is needed.
     
  2. Tripleteer

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    You can make most rifles FAC!!!! Anything over 12fpe is FAC,,,,,,
     
  3. ray7

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    Why not ask BSA they will be able to tell you the safe maximum and what shot count you would get. Looking at the sub 12 shot count as an fac your not going to get a lot.
    BSA email enquiries@bsaguns.com

    Ray
     
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    Bottom line is don't bother getting your existing gun uprated even if it can be done, the shot count after uprating would be ridiculously low. Get an additional buddy bottle rifle that is FAC from the outset. 30/40 ft/lbs means you will comfortably take bunnies out to 80 yards but remember you will still have trajectory issues to deal with. Even FAC rifles don't give you perfectly straight shooting and are still very much down to the ability of the user. FAC rifles are not the promised land many shooters think.
     
  5. cloverleaf

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    This.

    Only thing I'd question would be the distance - would think 50-60yd is more appropriate for FAC air; wouldn't go past 80yd with a rimfire tbh.
     
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    The resale value of FAC rifles is a lot lower than the 12ftlb's equivalent & it's a much smaller market so they can be harder to shift. You would be much better off selling your existing gun & using the cash to buy a ready made FAC version.
    Have a look around ******* & the dealers to see what I mean.
    Also when you convert a gun to FAC you can't simply convert it back, it's serial no. is registered with the Police as requiring an FAC, & there'd better be one...
     
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    one other point when thinking of converting an ultra, some of them had such a short barrel that if it did creep into FAC power levels it would become a prohibited weapon
     
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    Plus you'd get about 2 shots out of an Ultra at 40fpe!
     
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    Agreed, when I had S1 air, I really appreciated the flatter trajectory and the harder hitting pellet rather than range extension.
     
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    Are you sure its that many?
     
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    You can get 20+ shots at 20+ fpe from a .22 Ultra. The upper limit is around 25-27 fpe and the shotcount gets lower the higher you go. With light pellets that's 850-900 fps and you can check the trajectory with chairgun.
     
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    As already stated you would be spending good money to de-value your gun , much easier to sell then buy an already fac pcp of your choice ( Theres lots of second hand around but you can't have my rapid lol ) . atb Gary. :)
     
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    Thanks folks. Answer is to budget for a new rifle....
    Just sussing it all out and weighing up my options.
     
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    Can anyone explain this

    http://youtu.be/tRkk7iPBENU

    sub 12 airgun? 100yds! I know it's 'only' a can but it must have some energy to do that at 100yds?

    I can't imagine any of my sub 12 rifles doing that at 50yds!
     
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    You're right! What a load of testicles. 100 yards (surely he means 100feet?!) and going through both side of a bean tin - apart from being big hairy nuts it surely sets the wrong example.

    Edit: If it is proven correct then i think the sales of FX Wildcats will rise sharply!
     
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    Don`t know about going right through both sides but according to chairgun my .177 AT44-10 running at 11.2 ft/lb would still have 3.75 ft/lb left at 100 yd. That should be enough to go through 1 side.

    Ray
     
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    FAC is just another tool in your belt as a hunter, but really need something with better air supply, I use a scorpion se in 22 at 32ftlb total of 24 good usable shots, but as long as your not trigger happy really how many shots do you need, I remember the other night I went out only 4 shots for 4 kills 2 hour trip,
     
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    I spoke to John Bowkett about the merits of pushing a sub 12 rifle into FAC territory in standard trim, he explained that the standard internal components couldn't handle the stresses for very long before they failed and you would only gain a couple of fpe at best without major modification and replacement of the internals. BSA Rifles can make considerable fpe with the right mods but I recall him explaining around the 28fpe was optimum - I can't remember the reasons for this.

    To covert an r10 into a fully fledged FAC rated rifle would take approx. £250 If he did the work and it would completely de-value it as the market for them is tiny, so buying an FAC version would be better value for money and ensure that the gun could consistently maintain its purpose without components breaking down/failing.

    That FX wildcat video is a load of bollcoks! My hold over at only 70 yards is twice that at 11.4fpe in .22 - it's got to be an FAC rated gun. :yehright:
     
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    I must be the only one who believes the fx video. Scope shimmed and zeroed at 90 ish yards. 5.5ftlbs left on the pellet might well go through the tin for me.
    Cheers Andy
     
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  20. mr rooney

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    Lol ! Any half decent sub 12ftlb can shoot through tin cans at 100 yards. My.20 HW100 can do it all day. Have a look at this video of a girl shooting tin cans at 200 yards!
    [video]https://youtu.be/bm2bZwdwVUo[/video]

    Edit 200 meters not yards.
     
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