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Can I Make An Air Rifle Fac Myself?

Discussion in 'Firearms Certificate (FAC) Guns' started by Pellet Gun Pete, Feb 6, 2019.

  1. Sarge

    Sarge Active Member

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    It is NOT up to the issuing authority, if by that you mean the firearms department of the local police force.
    The police cannot make the law and cannot allow you to reclassify a firearm against one or more of the various acts. If you take false advice it may not be a defence in law. The guy in your club may be committing an offence and those that have the lower powered S1 firearms may be too.

    But it is fine as long as the barrel is over 24" in length. Otherwise it is a S1 firearm "notwithstanding anything done for the purpose of converting it into a shot gun or an air weapon" [F(A)A 1988 S7(2)]
     
  2. rich79

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    The police do what they like! How many fac threads have been answered with "you'll have to check with your feo"?
    Or "it varies between forces"
    I can assure you this guy in my club has the legal right to take fac air rifles back down, I asked him about it & he quoted the feo "that's more we don't have to worry about".
    Theres 100's of stories about things that are allowed or not allowed between forces even though they go by the same HO guidelines.
     
  3. Sarge

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    How many times have we heard that the police don't always know what they are talking about, especially when it comes to the firearms laws? By all means check with the FEO, but if he or she gives bad advice causing you to break the law then who will get in trouble?
    And the Police cannot do what they like. They uphold the law not make it. They do have a very complex and difficult job to do and I would not expect any officer or civilian helper to be 100% conversant with all the facts.

    The law is there to be obeyed (search it up if you like or try this link https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/45/section/7 specifically sub section (2)). Oh, and what club/dealer is it that's converting them back? I'm sure everyone concerned would love more information about this made known publicly.

    However, there is an exception for smooth-bore air rifles or those with barrels over 24" in length.

    BASC also state in their publication "Know your Law - Air Weapons";
    "The wording of [the Act] is complex, but in essence once air weapons are prescribed as ‘specially dangerous’ they cannot be back converted and remain in their relevant categories (Section 1 & 5) regardless of what is done to them other than de-activation or destruction."
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=2ahUKEwjcjZyGmargAhXUtXEKHQ5pBxwQFjAAegQICRAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fbasc.org.uk%2Fwp-content%2Fplugins%2Fdownload-monitor%2Fdownload.php%3Fid%3D53&usg=AOvVaw15IKsqAIev87bX0CVsO6FD
    Top of Page 4.

    Ignorance of the law is no defence, I would suggest anyone with one of these down powered air weapons give them back to the RFD quickly (and certainly not shout about it on the internet).
    Or sit quietly and hope no one checks.
     
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  4. Cam.

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    Yes! I had my AA S200 put onto my FAC by an RFD.
     
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  5. darklord

    darklord Can’t beat a tx200 at 30m

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    This section only applies to section 2 shotguns.

    There is elsewhere I’ve seen but just can’t recall recently

    Once a gun is FAc it cannot be declassified once it’s has been proven to become an FAC else it has to be permanently deactivated only or destroyed

    This is to stop the possibility of it being made fac later and losing sight of it.

    This was in the regulations somewhere
    And it was under section 1 and section 5
     
  6. Sarge

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    The first quote is directly from the statute. It does not mention shotguns but "any weapon", the section 2 of sub para (a) is referring to a section in the law for dating purposes (although that section is about shotguns, this section only uses that as a dating point). And finally the last sentence specifically mentions taking any Section 1 weapon and converting it back to an air weapon.
    Not many shotguns have a rifled barrel.
     
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  7. Patrick

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    Yep the same applies with Wiltshire Constabulary, they will allow an FAC air rifle to come of ticket providing it's had the necessary work done and any necessary parts replaced to effect the change and the work has to carried out by a qualified gunsmith/rfd along with the relevant paperwork to prove that the work has been done. They will not accept the gun to just be adjusted to reduce the power by the owner or any other unqualified person as i assume their logic is that if it the power can be reduced that easily it can be increased back up that easily.
     
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    I wonder if you could surrender the numbered part (often the breech block) & notify the police, thenget another off ticket breech & use the same parts to build a sub12, I don't know where you'd stand on getting the power put back down, I'd they'd want proof but I know it has been done to fac guns to sell spares.
     
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    Not sure what how one goes about it but i was told that WC will allow it providing the work is carried by a qualified gunsmith/rfd, or the manufacturer i presume, and the owner can provide documented evidence to that effect. I don't know whether it entails surrendering any relevant parts to WC's firearms dept.
    But i was told they will allow it and that it can be done both by the manager of Wiltshire Shooting Centre and one of the guys who works there who used to be one of WC's FEOs up until fairly recently.
    Apparently one of the neighbouring Constabularies,Thames Valley won't allow it.
    I think someone on here said that Norfolk Constabulary will also allow it subject to certain conditions.
     
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  10. gargloit

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    There is a difference between just reducing the power and doing what amounts to a complete rebuild. Take an FAC rifle to an RFD, tell him to scrap it and recycle it for spares. One rifle off ticket as scrapped. The RFD then rebuilds the rifle as sub 12, replacing the part that bears the serial number, and Robert's your mother's brother. Really just another demonstration of just how idiotic our firearms laws are and, of course, how idiotic some of the people who enforce them are..
     

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