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buying a BSA Ultra do i want a pump or bottle???

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by chrisj1704, Aug 10, 2008.

  1. chrisj1704

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    iv just been reading some other threads about pumps and i didn’t realise pumps were so hard to use, i just thought u pushed it down a couple of times and it was done, nice and easy. but it seems that they are really hard so would it be better for me to get a bottle and how much am i looking to spend on a cheap one since money is tight. oww and remember im getting a bsa ultra so would a pump be any easier on that???
    thanks for the advise
     
  2. atko

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    hi mate, i have a bsa ultra multishot and i have a pump i bought it second hand from a dealer for £70!! it isnt very hard to use it!! i pump mine to 210 bar from about it takes me about 1 minute to pumpit up from 100 bar, id rather spend a extra minute than spend £200+ on a pump and you allso have to pay to get your bottle filled up and you have to travel to somware to get it done and get it serviced evey 3 years even if you dont use it and that isnt cheap. so i would recomend a PUMP. but other people may say different!!! up to you mate.
     
  3. Rambo

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    I only got my bottle (3 litre) last Thursday, & it set me back £175. I always thought they were cheaper, but I was advised not to get a pump because of them taking a lot of effort.

    Pumps are slightly cheaper, but for an extra £50, maximum, you can get yourself a 3 litre bottle, & save your effort for hunting.You could get a larger bottle, but obviously it would be more expensive & would be less mobile.

    You get about 20 fills with a 3 litre, but with 70 shots per-fill on my S410, that's a lot of shots before you have to fill your bottle up again, so don't worry about that. A diving shop, or maybe your local gun shop will fill your bottle up for a small charge.

    Go for a 3 litre bottle, you should get one for around £160 (mine was from an expensive shop). This place has them for £129, but I'm not sure if they post, I've heard something about not shipping pressurised things? :confused:

    http://www.deepblueshooting.co.uk/product.aspx?id=13657
     
  4. atko

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    you will only get about 30 full power shots out of the bsa ultra in .22
     
  5. Buzz

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    I wouldn't entertain a pump, but then I'm 62, I use a tank. I guess it depends on how much use the gun will get, how prepared you are for some very hard work and whether you want to wait for 10/15 minutes after filling to recover enough to be steady again for shooting. There is also the problem of contamination. It's much more likely with a pump than a tank, dirt, water need taking special care of, so filters and and moisture traps are needed with pumps. Using diving quality, dry air from a tank makes this much easier. A 300 bar tank of no less than 7 ltrs would be my recommendation...just take great care when using it....very high pressures are involved which can be very dangerous if not handled properly, following the instructions to the letter.

    Taking into account the last thread stating only 30 shots per fill, you're going to be limited if you want to go out hunting. A pump or tank needs to go with you, so you need something more portable than I recommended. If you're target shooting then you be OK with something bigger.

    Atko, the hydraulic testing of tanks is now every 5 years and as long as the tank doesn't have a diving regulator fitted, that's the only test it needs.
     
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    i had the pump first ,hills one when i bought me s410 and sold it few weeks later got 6 litre bsa bottle lot better and right size also i find,5 quid to refill or so job done

    i can t use pump cause of me lungs being shot with illness but i would pay bit more and get bottle lot quicker 8
     
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    30 shots is that it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    how come so little with this gun then?
     
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    I have to guess on this slappy, but by the look it's a small tank and a very short barrel.
     
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    still 30 not good to are s410's is it : - (
     
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    hi i have got an ultra i use a pump and find it quite easy to fill with a ,
    i get on average about 35 shots per fill,
     
  11. simply james

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    id go for a bottle every time mate.
     
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    go for a pump, because of the ultras low shot count it only takes about 2 min to charge it. its what i use for mine and it works a treat plus no annoying trips to get the bottle filled.
     
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    totaly agree tommy
     
  14. Darren Petts

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    Very small cylinder and a very short barrel - a poor combination for shot count.
    I've seen lots of folk get a pump then two weeks later get a tank. You should equally find pumps secondhand that are virtually new because of this should you be convinced you want a workout.
    The other thing to consider is air quality. A dive shop compressor has good filters that remove the moisture from the air. A pump simply can't do this even with a drypac on. You'll therefore be putting damp air in and assisting rusting.
    One last point is, if pumping your gun is going on the floor which means some form of protection for it. If it's bouncing it down do you want your gunbag in the mud? You'll need to take a sheet of polythene or old towel etc.
     
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    pump mate,i could pump my in around 2min,serious,hardly any effort.
    its buddy bottles you need bottles for.
    keep a eye on the used to as i recently sold a pump £50 as i went bottl for my buddy bottles.
    pumps cheaper to,know trips to shop and petrol and paying for a fill.
    atb
     
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    think i missed the train here but pump wise it wont be a big work out with the ultra.
     
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    My .177 will give 50 shots no problem charged to only 210bar.
    The .177 is capable of being charged to 232 bar and 35 shots, The .22 to 200 bar and 40 shots from BSA's literature. I do doubt there claims but are the claims based on a specific fps range ?
    Also depends on whether you're gonna shoot loads of pellets plinking or a few when hunting. For plinking get a bottle in my opinion but if your really using it for hunting a pump would do I reckon.
     
  18. andyhawkx3

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    Im with Darren on this, go bottle:up:
     
  19. EX Mod Cog

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    I'd get a pump, when you think about it they're better for something like the Ultra which has a small cylinder. Pumping is not easy but less than hard and it'll be over in minutes, you don't want to keep going back to the shop for re-fills do you? Doesn't that kind of eliminate the point? You don't have a buddy bottle, you're not shooting a Gunpower so get a pump :up:
     
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    I have severe spinal problems and can manage my Webley pump to charge my S400. I always charge when it gets down to about 140 bar and fill it in two short sessions. I'm 60 years old and as I say with spinal problems so if I can do it anyone can. It's the same as lifting heavy weights safely - technique. I suspect the advice to go for the bottle rather than the pump is more to do with convenience than being too hard work.
     
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