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BSA's new Scorpion HFT Rifle

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by cloverleaf, Apr 20, 2014.

  1. cloverleaf

    cloverleaf Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    So, as is often the case, half the forum's going to war over their differing opinions of BSA..

    Thanks to the latest video from the Fieldsports Channel (below, credit to oliver13 for finding it and originally posting it to this thread :up:) we now have news of a Scorpion-based rifle aimed specifically at the HFT market.

    [video=youtube;jhm1HnJkDfQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhm1HnJkDfQ[/video]


    From what's said in the video (it's all interesting but skip to 11:45 for the rifle - my monkey brain and Google-fingers can't manage to post the vid so it starts at the appropriate time) the gun is a standard unregged single-shot Scorpion action, with a "muzzle brake" and the headline feature of an adjustable, laminated Minelli stock.

    Most on here know my opinion of BSA guns and for those who find my thoughts unpalletable, I'll try and make this first post an exercise in objective stement of fact, rather than the usual vitriolic rant :D

    So, the basic Scorpion single-shot rifle with synthetic stock retails for around £400, competing with other guns such as the Air Arms S200, S400 and Brocock Contour.

    The HFT version of the BSA, with its "muzzle brake" and adjustable stock is mooted to cost between £1100 and £1200 - three times the price of the base rifle and placing its cost in excess of the Daystate Huntsman Regal, Weihrauch HW100 and Air Arms S510 Ultimate sporter, putting it in direct competition with the Daystate Mk4 and Impact Airguns GSX range, and only a few hundred quid below the range-topping, all-out target guns that are the Air Arms FTP900 and RAW TM1000.

    Based on the spec and price of the rifle in the video above, is anyone on the forum considering the purchase of one of these new guns, in preference to any of the available alternatives?
     
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  2. terry1001

    terry1001 Major Poster

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    I watched the whole video with interest but, out of everything shown, the thing that I really noticed was the ancient machinery they are still using. Don't get me wrong I like capstan lathes but in a modern factory producing largish quantities of parts I would have expected cnc machines.
    If the price of that HFT model is right I can't see them shifting many.
     
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    That's a lot of money for a stock.
     
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    Rather have a second hand EV2 and enough money for a decent scope.
     
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    Single shot scorpion for over a grand, I'll take a lightning too please!!!!!
     
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    I have seen, handled and shot the new hft version of the Scorpion.
    Whilst the stock is indeed very well made, very well engineered and a thing of beauty I wouldn't be able to justify the price tag no matter how much I'd like to own one ..... Shame.
    If Air Arms can make their new Ultimate S510 kind of affordable surely BSA could do the same?
     
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    Just seen the pics of it on Solware,stock looks horrible,no chance of me wanting one.
     
  8. lone wolf

    lone wolf Pro Poster

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    What a joke! I doubt you will see many on the hft scene at all,there's so much better out there,its a sales gimic that's all,its not good at all,id expect to see a whole new rifle, and its tooling costs to manufacture one may just then warrant the price tag.
    Bad move bsa..........bad move

    Gaz
     
  9. Akita177

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    Slap a £300 gun into a mineli stock and charge £1100-£1200.
    They already make the actions then the stocks to order so even if they dont sell many still profit for them?
     
  10. stevemandm

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    over priced and under specced tat. buy a standard one, sell the tactical stock, fit a stock from Geordie or markyboy, fit an adjustable airstripper from UK Neil, then send off to xtx for an x tune and regulating, and then sit back and plan on what you can spend the £300-400 that you've got left on (possibly a great scope, bkl mounts and a shitload of pellets).
    for what it's worth, I think the scorpion is a great rifle as standard, but at that price just for a nice stock ?
     
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    From Solware;

    Right had some more info it's not going to be a scorpion it's a complete new gun. The gun will be regulated match barrel different blocks muzzle etc It will be like a EV2 type target rifle not a modded up Scorpion with fancy stock. Will retail at £1100 ish but it's a complete new offering to compete at highest level in target world. This prototype just a teaser but apparently the new target gun will be a lot more advanced hence the price tag. I would say the official version will be launched at one of the major game fairs.
     
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    Quiet snigger.....:nicethread:
     
  13. ratman60

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    hello, dont they say scorpions have a sting in the tail :rolleyes:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D
     
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    Waay too much even if it's tuned and regged blah blah blah....
     
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    Well somebody better tell the BSA managing director that because that's not all how he describes it in the video, infact "scorpion with a fancy stock" is how the MD describes it.
     
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    He also said self regulating which means to me it doesnt have a regulator.
     
  17. mattyts

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    Read the last 2 sentences :D
     
  18. LANKY MK

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    The MD was clear in the video, the hft model is (to paraphrase) a standered Scorpion in a fancy stock costing £1100 to £1200.

    If the "actually" scorpion HFT model isn't as such then the MD really should not say what he did in a interview, instead either he should keep hush hush about the details of the "retail" version or actually state the difference between this HFT version of the scorpion action compared to the standard action.

    That way there's no confusion & nobody can be justified in saying "its just a scorpion in a fancy stock for stupid money", of course there will always be those people but it doesn't help when the MD essentially says that in an interview. (minus the stupid money part :))
     
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    cloverleaf Super Moderator Staff Member Mod/Admin

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    The plot thickens.. On the one hand we have an MD who thinks asking £1200 for an otherwise standard £300 action in a tarty stock is "sensible":


    On the other hand we apparently have information from Solware (any chance of a link please Matty? :)) that states that it will be a completely different rifle:

    There's always the possibility of course that we're talking about two distinctly different rifles.

    The first potential offering looks like a grossly-overpriced attempt to capitalise on the popularity of HFT; if the gun is as it's claimed to be in the vid I suspect a few mugs will buy it before it ultimately sinks without trace in a sea of enthusiast's disdain and bile; much as their last attempt at screwing the customers even harder (the Cambridge) rightfully did..

    The second format (as apparently described by Solware) has the potential to raise the ante significantly IMO. On the one hand BSA could pull off a massive coup if they could create and supply a genuinely competitive FT rifle that was a match for those currently available. The resultant "halo effect" generated by a positive reception to a new flagship model would potentially aid sales of their lower-end PCPs.

    Conversely, if BSA fail to get it right (when supplying a rifle into perhaps the most critical and demanding segment of the air rifle market, of which they currently have zero market share and zero fanbase within, to compete with high quality, established kit from much larger manuafacturers) the resultant negative publicity will only taint the brand further, as happened with the R10 Mk1 (and to some extent the Mk2).

    We all love the underdog and I genuinely wish them all the best; but if they are looking to enter the FT market they're going to have to pull something pretty damned special out of the bag - this is one market where spin and marketing alone will definitely not cut the mustard.
     
  20. LANKY MK

    LANKY MK Engaging Member

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    Good post sir,

    I too wish BSA all the best, I grew up with BSA air rifles, buy they really don't help themselves sometimes.
     

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