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Bsa Ultra Xl

Discussion in 'Airgun Reviews' started by Wing-span, Oct 19, 2018.

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BSA Ultra XL

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  1. Wing-span

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    I took the Ultra XL for a walk in the woods today to check the feeders as I prep to shoot these woods. BSA Ultra XL in the woods.jpg
     
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    Hi yes I am very happy with my ultra XL. It is very accurate has a bigger cylinder so fires more shots . Clip holds 10 pellets. Have two clips and changing them is very fast . Very smooth to shoot with. All I can say is I am very happy with mine. One man's meat is another man's gravy. Buy what you want and not what other people want you to buy.
     
  3. 300bhp/ton

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    Hi. I’m a bit confused by this thread.

    How can the Phox and Coyote be very good. But the Ultra XL crap, when at the very least the XL uses the same barrel/cylinder and a much better trigger and stock? Something just doesn’t add up.
     
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    Hi. Are you able to explain which bits are not worthy and what is wrong with them? I confess I don’t know the internals. But I’m keen to understand what you think is do wrong with them?
     
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    What I meant was that BSA is seen as a premium brand by many people, both in the airgun world and to a wider public audience, and that Gamo have tried to cash in on this by essentially re-badging one of their rifles using the BSA name. Bit like rebranding an Austin Allegro as a Ferrari ... someone who doesn't know better would be parted from their hard earned purely on this basis and their naivety.
     
  6. 300bhp/ton

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    That makes no sense at all. ALL of BSA is 100% Gamo. As Gamo completely own BSA.

    The XL is also built by the same people at the same place as the other BSA PCP’s, using many of the same components they use for other rifles they assemble there.

    And logically if the Phox and Coyote are good guns. And the XL uses the best bits of these guns, along with even better bits for only marginally more money. How does that translate to making it crap?

    I’m happy to be corrected if I’m wrong. But I can’t see anything factual or logical to backup your comments in this thread.
     
  7. mikeyhall1

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    Yes it’s quite easy

    Shot a Phox, Coyote and the XL and all is clear

    Theres a common misconception that the XL shares the same trigger unit as the SE, it doesn’t. It’s a crude affair
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    As most will know the Ultra SE has a trigger akin to the R10. Whilst the triggers on the Gamos aren’t amazing they’re IMO better than the XL. The XL trigger is actually based on a Gamo set up but yet for some reason I’ve found it to be lacking in comparison.

    The stock is awful on the XL - to me anyway..

    Trust me I’d rather hype up a BSA than a Gamo, but I have to give the Phox and Coyote their dues.

    Not forgetting at the time of the XL’s release it was meant to be around the £500 mark which is Ultra SE money, and being called a Ultra XL many shooters were thinking that it was based on the Ultra SE but a XL version.

    This marketing error could have been fatal as the quality between the two rifles is chalk and cheese which is probably why the price was soon slashed to circa £350 and then soon after I believe no longer available for RFD’s to buy in - discontinued?

    So for what it’s worth....

    I hate Gamo but like the Phox and Coyote - shot both extensively
    I like BSA but hate the XL - shot the XL, owned a Ultra SE and currently own a R10
     
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    mikeyhall1 2018 Forum Nice Guy

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    No BSA is BSA, but is owned by Gamo. If BSA was 100% Gamo then I’d be certain that they’d close the Birmingham factory down and all BSA’s would come out of Spain.

    All BSA springers are made in Spain, all BSA and Gamo PCP’s are made in Birmingham
     
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    Succinctly put Mr Hall and saved me from typing virtually the same as you just have. Ta muchly :thumb:
     
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    Gamo bought BSA in 1986. They always ran seperately but under the control and influence of the Barcelona owners. No pcps rifle being made in Spain which "specializes" in CO2 and boingers. All BSA pcps are based on Bowkets designs but since the owners of Gamo sold out the group a few years ago more and more Spanish slightly altered components used on the boingers have found their way onto the Birmingham made pcps. I suppose to reduce cost. The main influence has changed. The Gamo line of pcps is pitched at a different market to the BSA one.
     
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    Just spoke to JB and he said that he cant be sure, as he has not had or wanted any contact with BSA for some years, that it is more likely to be that the Gamo trigger is preferable to the BSA one in some markets due to the drop tests they are subject to and the safety angle.
     
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    The 2 stage trigger unit in the Ultra XL is actually very precise once adjusted, it breaks cleanly with no creep at all. You will need to fit a longer M2.5 x 10mm 2nd stage adjustment screw. To be fair for £22 for the trigger unit, its a bloomin' bargain! thanks for highlighting that. The stock is very comfortable and with the adjustable cheek piece it places your eye to the scope in a very repeatable fashion, the valving is efficient, the barrel is BSA accurate. For non brand-sensitive, budget conscious air rifle shooters the BSA Ultra XL really is a good option. Yes it is the same action as the Coyote, Phox, Urban and Buccaneer. But you know what? This is really not a bad thing.
     
  13. 300bhp/ton

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    If BSA is wholly owned by Gamo, then I'm afraid all BSA's are indeed 100% Gamo. I'm not saying all the parts hail from Gamo or a Gamo design. Just the same as a Vauxhall badged car was infact a GM product form 1925 until they sold the "brand" to PSA the other year.
     
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    Would you mind expanding on what is clear?

    Surely at the end of the day, the XL should be shooting as well or better than the Phox, if it is using some of the same parts and some arguably better parts.

    I'm not sure there is. You even "quoted" me saying they are different.

    Yes it looks like a lot of plastic. But how does that mean it isn't any good? Reviewers don't seem to have complained about the trigger, the opposite infact. Which is also odd, as I've read a couple of reviews of the Scorpion SE and Ultra SE today, and in both cases people have said the trigger in those is only "ok" for hunting, but not a target trigger.

    I haven't shot either (yet). So can only go on the information I find on the web. As an evidence trail, it would seem there are certainly differing views.

    Where have you seen it for £350?

    No idea if it's discontinued or not. The BSA site says "new" and it seems available at multiple retailers.


    You see, this is where I'm not getting it. Surely the XL will shoot similar to the Phox but with an arguably better trigger and a better finished stock. What causes the "hate"?
     
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    That’s a very silly example. I used to own a Saab 95, based on a Vauxhall Vectra who is owned my GM - I still bought a Saab....
     
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    Can't remember if mine was £330 or £350 from kirklees guns
    Either way it wasn't £500
    I wouldn't pay £500 !!
    No matter what the badge said
    100 shots from a fill easily
    11 and a bit ft/lbs
    1/2" groups at 40 m
    And that's in the field ,
    Yes outdoors , wind , rain and no benches in sight
    Trigger is fine ,
    Stock is great , very comfortable
    I know that no one is gonna get one now
    But any one is more than welcome to have a go
    And put the argument to rest
     
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    What the gun is offering is a great deal of performance for the money. It shoots straight and has a good shot count
     
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    For me , you need to forget the name
    The rifle is in no way , shape or form , an ultra
    Look at it in the same light as a phox or coyote
    Good shot count
    Accurate
    Cheap
    No problems with the trigger
    I'm more than happy to put mine up against any £350 multishot PCP
    That's if you can find a contedor at that price
     
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    The thing is. It wasn’t based on the Vectra. The Vectra just used a GM platform that was used for many vehicles and badges or altered for different markets. Being sold as Opels, Vauxhall’s, Pontiacs and others across the globe. Including Saab.
     
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    Actually rereading this. What you are saying is. An Ultra XL, even if based on some Gamo bits it still 100% BSA.... :thumb: :D
     
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