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BSA Ultra V Webley Raider 10

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by bestmh, Feb 11, 2014.

  1. bestmh

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    Good Morning Gents,

    I currently own a BSA Ultra .22 SS and have for a while been looking to get my hands on a multishot PCP but dont want to have to sell mine first and be sat without a gun until such time i find a suitable replacement. Recently I have been in contact with someone looking to swap his 2012 Webley Raider 10 shot for something lighter and smaller however as the distance for meeting would be over 100 miles can anyone out there give me an honest opinion as to wether i would be getting a good deal or should i just stick with my ultra and get a rowan conversion kit.

    I have never fired anything other (pcp wise) than my Ultra and occasionaly my bro in laws AA410 so know hee haw about other models ect.

    If I should go for the Raider what are the things i should look out for when testing as i dont want to end up with a better (if advised) gun that needs work done.

    I only use it for rabbits, rats and Pigeons.

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    All i can say mate is i have a rowan mag system on my s400 and its very good....if your happy with your ultra but its only the mag issue making want to sell it on ,imo you wont be disapointed with the rowan mag.
     
  3. jay5488

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    The Rowan's are manual indexing though!!!!
     
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    Which I, for one, would argue makes them an excellent safety feature ;)
     
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    hello, looking at the webley PCP against your ultra 1 shot there would be advantages for the webley eg 10 shot/more shots per fill but slighly more weight it might be an advantage if the webley is more suitable for you needs if the condition of said pcp is as you want. a 100miles journey i would need to know with photos as well. but like trumptier said if you like your ultra with its caperbilities and its just a matter of making into a ?? shots maybe a rowan mag system would surfice bearing in mind you would need fill ultra more frequent. your ultra does cost more? so if you did want swop i would get some cash as well? why is he wanting to swop? so if it was me i would defo check this out and if any webley users on here to give you their advice on reliability of the raider you can then make a choice so good luck.
     
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    Yes they are and so nothing to go wrong ;):)
     
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    Safety catch???? ;-)
     
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    The trouble with buying into any PCP is that you don't know until you get it home and leave it standing in a corner for a day or three whether it even holds air.

    My Logun Dominator has a slow leak at the moment but if I was to fill it and hand it to someone with a view of trading it there's no way they would be able to tell. I've just ordered a new gauge to address the issue, but it illustrates one of the key issues in buying into any second hand PCP.

    You're either going to buy a good one, or you aren't, and on face value certain problems might not be apparent.

    That said the Raider is a very capable gun - the Birmingham made ones tend to be better than the more recent Turkish built efforts though. The Raider has a decent shot count, good consistency, accuracy in bucket loads, easy to work on, not too heavy given their size - they're very impressive overall, if a little uninspiring.

    If your Ultra is sound then your safest and least inconvenient path is an after-market magazine system.

    Frankly, if yours is an MMC Ultra, a manually indexed magazine is hardly going to inconvenience you given the jiggery pokery you already have to do to cock and load the gun...
     
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    My mate uses a Rowan mag on his Ulta - he has two young boys and between the three of them they haven't managed to foul ?!? it up yet ;)

    The kiddie factor is always a strong indicator IMHO of whether kit works well, or not.
     
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    Keep ultra mate, and get a Rowan mag,

    believe me every one who sells there ultra's mmc or se always regret it, myself included. Atb

    Ss
     
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    Thanks for the info guys, looks like i will be in contact with rowan engineering then,

    ATB
     
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    If you're happy with your gun that would seem the best way forward :)
     
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    I'd never get rid of my ultra, I want an R10 but the ultra will stay!!!!!
    If you do get the rowan kit I'd be really interested as to how you get on with it, I was going to buy it but the manual indexing really put me off so I priced up the BSA parts to convert it to a "proper" 10 shot rifle...... Let's just say I'll pass on that....
     

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