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Bad news bis mags sending me over

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by craigfishin, Dec 28, 2013.

  1. craigfishin

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    as advised i tried some bis mags through my r10 mk2 vc via a mk4 combro and oh ohhh , reading 12.73 ftp FAC

    luckily this was just a test and i only usually use aa fields which get me a lovely 11.53 ftp

    as my mk2 has anti tamper i cant turn it down so would you advise me to just carry on with my aa fields or have the gun sent back for resetting to a lower power ???

    tia
     
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    having anti tamper on there is no excuse therefore the best action would be to have it reset to correct power

    just in case the boys in blue use bismags for testing your gun

    its just not worth loosing your rifle for 3/4ftlb and more

    other thing take it to a gun smith get him to run it through his chrono just in case your combro is not reading as it should
     
  3. craigfishin

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    thanks buddy

    just spoke to my rfd and he said pop it down for a proper test as he seemed to think bis mags shouldnt be adding 1.2 ftp over a standard aa field pellet
     
  4. Grumpyoldman

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    They do im afraid ! same thing with my Ranger , set borderline with bisly mags , 11.97 is the max , on a hot day full charge ect , shame we just cant set legal limit on FPS or ban ammo over a certain weight , enough mines in the air gun ownership field as it is :mad: oh normal pellet AA Diablo
     
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    If u take it to your rfd hes bound by law not to give it you back untill hes droped the power ;) is there no guide to which u can set power he has you by the short and curlys once he has it in his possesion id ask for a price of work befor handing it him not after hes got his hands on it just to clarify things befor hand .If under warrenty get in touch with where u got it from and have them sort it under warrenty ;)
     
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    bought it brand new 6 weeks ago from him so no issues with cost , id just rather it wasnt sent away for 3 weeks , the r10 has anti tamper so can be adjusted by anyone but bsa unless i want to lose my warranty :(

    thanks guys ,fingers crossed it stays under 12 on there chrony
     
  7. dave goodall

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    Not likely mate if its over with Biz mags its classed as a fac rated gun im affraid least its under warrenty theres also heavier pellets out there this is why so many daystates are set at low 10 ftb from new to stay with in the law seems to be a common problem with new pcps once they bed in
     
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    If so new ie 6 week you could ask for it to be replaced ;) atvb dave g
     
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    My .177 Air Arms S510 runs at 10.5 with AA Diabolo Fields and 10.6 with JSB Exact Express, but if I put Bis Mags through it, this rises to 11.6. So I get a minimum 1.1 lb/ft increase, just by switching to Bis Mags. As already stated, despite the fact the rifle has anti tamper fitted, it is the owners responsibility to ensure the rifle complies with the law. I was considering increasing the power to 11.8/11.9 with Bisley Mags, but I was informed that running at 10.5 lb/ft is plenty enough power to cleanly dispatch rabbits out to at least 45 yards. And to be honest I can't see me shooting over 40 yards, so made the decision to leave mine as it is.

    Hope this is of some help.
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  10. Andy_J

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    You will take it to the RFD, he will send it back to BSA. They will take anti tamper off, reset the gun to about 9.8 ftlbs to be on the safe side. Then they will replace the anti tamper and send it back to your RFD. Should take about 2-3 weeks. (been there, done that, got the T-shirt) It is a pain in the backside. But you can thank Terry Doe and AMTA for this as it was their idea. Notice how none of his magazines ever mention this little problem? It works only for the gun trade, not the customer. Imagine what it's like on an airgun outside of the warranty? Expensive and another way for the manufacturers to squeeze the airgunners pockets whilst they can.
     
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    You could always ask for a full refund because the RFD sold a FAC rated airgun to non FAC holder and thus put you in possible trouble with the law? Imagine if you had been stopped and your gun tested and found over the limit? What would your excuse be? It is you that would get done, not the RFD that sold it to you. Great that ain't it?
     
  12. craigfishin

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    would that be an acceptable request as its so new , trouble is its running superb other than this , if i ask for a new one it could be more trouble , if this just needs tuning down how long do you think it would take from drop off at rfd to collection all sorted ?? , will it be days or weeks ?
     
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    What shop did it come from craig
     
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    Weeks. please read my post #10. Been there already.
     
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    To the original question, I'd definitely get it tested and sent back as necessary.

    Sounds about right. Wasn't aware of TD's involvement with the AMTA, but it wouldn't surprise me. Any more info? The problem is that an (at the time) anti-gun scumbag government were pressurising the industry, who had to be seen to be doing something. Unfortunately this gave rise to AT.

    You'll find nobody else who hates this pointless, invasive and counter-productive horse Censored more than I do; however, cynical as I am, I don't see the manufacturers welcoming AT.

    Yes, it appears inkeeping with the general trend in many areas of manufacturing (automotive for example) of manufacturers attempting to make it difficult for "unauthorised third parties" to work on their products and hence divert more post-warranty work in their direction. However, some (BSA especially) must be absolutely haemorrhaging money covering the labour and carriage costs of sorting "naughty" AT guns that could otherwise potentially have been sorted in half an hour at the shop from which the gun was purchased (although that said BSA PCPs have never been particularly easy to adjust).


    You could (and replace it with an HW100 :)popkorn:)), however there's no point in getting stroppy with the RFD; it's not his fault. While in law you're responsible, if the gun's new and the AT's intact IMO you'd have to be trying hard to get prosecuted. That said who knows? Such is the joy of our legal system :rolleyes:
     
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    My ultra does 12.68 with bis mags!!

    I don't use them so I don't worry about it!! My ultra does 11.4 with jsb express which is what I use, am I going to detune my rifle to suit bis mags? am I hell.

    No matter what rifle you have, there will always be a pellet that pushes it over, so nobody really has a truly legal sub12 air rifle!!!!
     
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    Unless you're particularly adept at not dropping the soap, I'd get it turned down a bit. The polis will happily bend you over for that if they get the opportunity / feel so-inclined.

    I find JSB Heavies to be the most efficient in most (.177) PCPs, so mine are all setup to do around 11.8ftlb with them (11.1-11.4ftlb with Exacts) - I defy anyone to find a pellet to better the Heavies and am comfortable in the knowledge that my arse is covered (to the best of my ability) should plod come a 'knocking ;)
     
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    If ever tested mate do u not think they will use bis mags this is one of there base test pellets for sake of 1 ftlb is it worth it 1ftlb is nothing in terms of hunting loads of lads hunt with 10.5 rifles and theres no real diffrence to a gun at 11.8 ftlb except chance of the gun been destroyed ond alot of grief
     
  19. Andy_J

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    I know different. I know the Home Office never put any pressure on to AMTA. (FOI requests work well with the Civil Service). I also know for a fact that AT was designed to protect only the retailer and the manufacturer, not the end user. Yes PCP's are all adjustable and in that respect, all "capable". Any air rifle deemed "capable" would be seen as a Section 1 firearm. Hence the introduction of AT so that only the end user is culpable. Lots of history on this and the reason the AMTA chairman at the time ;) banned me from his B.B.S. (plus many others). I also know that the British Airgun trade got together to persuade the government to bring in the 12 ftlb limit for air rifles because.........the European manufacturers were building much better rifles that were putting out that power at the time whilst the UK's gun industry regularly struggled with air rifles kicking out a measily 6-9 ft lbs. They wanted to level the playing field. FOI requests have also shown this to be the case. Anti Tamper and its problems or benefits are never even mentioned in the airgun press. Why not?
     
  20. Andy_J

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    This problem only occurs for the small minority still covered by a warranty. Try and see how much it costs to get your out of warranty rifle turned down all at your cost and then to get it back with fresh anti tamper bolts in it. Even if your rifle didn't have them in the first place.
     

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