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Better torch than ultrafire 501b for little extra £?

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Jonnyovy, Dec 28, 2013.

  1. Jonnyovy

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    Looking to buy a smallish red torch to be rifle mounted with pressure switch. In the past i have had an ultrafire 501b which was a nice little torch hence me considering getting one again.

    What i am looking to find out - is there a better alternative for not alot extra cash? If so i dont mind adding a few quid.

    Must be -
    red bulb
    focus would be nice but not essential
    Pressure switch opperated
     
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    hello, i think they a great torches for sub 12ftllb air rifle hunting, can be made to better beam by adding a convex lens and blacking out reflector, i use 3 1 x normal/whit, 1 x red led hunter with pressure switch, 1 x I/R led, i keep spare batteries in pairs and recharge alternate
     
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    T20

    Enough said.

    Give Ian Sirrell a shout https://www.facebook.com/Ir.light.builds

    Or have a look on the nightvision UK forum, for a couple of other people who make and mod torches - there's only a couple of quid between the various makers and modders.

    The thing about a T20 is you can use it on a lower setting for ratting, mid-range is fine for rabbiting and its highest setting will easily exceed .22LR range.

    Additionally you can can a range of drop ins if you want to use the same torch as an IR illuminator for digital night vision.

    I am a great believer in over-specifying and under-utilising rather than trying to get more or wishing there was more available...

    I have a red T20, a green T20 and a modded T20 with a 66mm front end as an IR light source, all from Ian Sirrell.

    I use the red on its lowest or middle setting for air rifle lamping, and the green on its lowest (I find the green brighter, but everyone's eyes are different). The T20/66 will easily give well over 200 yards IR for digital night vision :eek:

    Ian also does an unusual tail switch with a separate off/on switch and a mode selector switch.

    Hope that helps :)
     
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    if you want the bees knees of a torch contact terry1001 on this forum he's the king of beam mate
     
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    Found a good video review ect but cant find a price...how much are they?
     
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    cant agree more
     
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    +1 to what he said.
     
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    From memory I think they're around £44 but if you contact Ian direct he will confirm the amount :)
     
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    The stock price doesn't take into account the dedicated red XPE chip and any lens modifications. You might save a pound or two by buying the torch and sending off for the drop in red XPE though...

    :)
     
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    U will save a few quid and its not a hard job to change ir pill or if your good with a soldering iron u can buy the led for couple of quid on the bay imo in my case easier to order the pills from ian for lamping tho the stock t20 works sound with white light and a red filter added if u want to keep it cheap as poss
     
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    In my experience a filtered white T20 is pants compared to a dedicated red XPE chipped T20.

    Still a viable option, but not in the same league.

    That's what I moved away from a LED Lenser P7 with the various coloured filters. Filtering white light usually degrades the beam far below the standard of a dedicated chip, or that's what my eyes tell me, but we're all different. For a long while I thought a red filtered P7 wa the cat's meow, until I tried a dedicated red T20...

    @ Jonnyovy: I'm not a million miles away from you (I'm in North Tyneside, just past Whitley Bay, for the silly season) so if you would like to try the red and/or green T20 after dark one evening we could arrange to meet for a flashing session :eek: :rolleyes:

    No bother if it's not what you're interested in or if it's over budget though. I'm not the sort to go flashing with just anyone...

    ;)
     
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    Im going to contact the guy direct, get a final price and if its something i will take further, i will deffinatly be in touch. Thanks
     
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    If you want a small torch there's not much choice. The T20 and the torches I have are bigger and heavier then the 501b. The 501b doesn't have zoom but it does have the remote pressure switch available (and 'some bloke' is doing a better quality one now) and there is a remote for the T20 as well.
    I'm not that keen on the remote pressure switches as most of them are not designed to carry the current needed for high power leds, particulalry the 3 amps needed for a full power Cree XML. I have found some decent switches which I can get as press on/press off or momentary on (hold) and they can be fitted to the tailcaps if required. I've also got some zooming torches which are slightly smaller than the 501b and which perform well at slightly lower power than the larger ones as they don't really have the capacity to dissipate the heat of full power leds. The lighter torches are probably well suited to use on springers as they won't add much to the weight and the recoil effect on the scope and of course they are lighter to carry about if you're walking far.
    Like most choices in shooting it's not quite as simple as it seems on the face of it, you will have to make some compromises somewhere unfortunately.
     
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    Have to agree there
     
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    is the t20 your referring to a olight torch?
     
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    There's a link to the T20 earlier in the thread, a word of caution though I have heard of people having problems witn Manafont. There are plenty of other suppliers but I think the quality does vary.The T20 has a head which rotates to zoom, the type I use (and prefer) have a sliding head otherwise there's not much difference sizewise or in the beam performance. There is a remote switch available for the T20, I can make them to fit my torches but I prefer not to as there's a fair bit of work in putting together a decent one which will be 100% reliable.
     
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    t 20 is £42 posted and t66 is £99
    The T66 Red is a lot more expensive Michael. There is a lot of machining to be done. The original head of the T20 is machined on the outside at its thinest point, then acre cut. The larger part of the head is parted off. I then need to machine the threads off of a 66mm Crelant head, open the rear end up to 34mm and then thread it to accept the part of the T20 head I have threaded on the outside. When it is screwed together and with some thread lock, it is bonded well together. The 66mm head now works the exact same as a T20 with the fast zoom head.
     

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