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Advice Best, Cheapest Springer for Paper Target 10-25 Meter

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Andrew., Mar 19, 2014.

  1. Andrew.

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    Hi All

    I've been looking around for a cheap but reasonable Springer for paper target shooting, 10 meter and 25 Meter.

    I'm not familiar with every make and model out there on the market new or old, I have been watching as many reviews as possible on YouTube to get a better understanding at what point cheap is rubbish, but I'm still none the wiser.

    I know that you only get what you pay for.....I understand that but.....can cheap get me the same scores.?

    I'm not a bad shot but also not great shot (a little above average:redface: ) and had wondered at what point do I out shoot a cheap springer to warrant an expensive one.? I mean after all, all rifles shoot straight right.? There must be a cheap but reasonable springer out there that will for fill my needs other than the AirArms TX200 or Weirauch ranges...

    Do you shoot 10 or 25 meter club comps and with what do you use.?

    What's your thoughts.?

    Look forward to your comments....:)
     
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    What exactly do you want to use it for?

    If it's proper 10m target shooting (ISSF / Olympic type stuff with aperture sights) forget a cheap springer - the sport is extremely demanding and the kit extremely expensive and specialised. You'll find very little with suitable sights and at this price point you'll not find anything that will allow you to be the slightest bit competitive.

    If you want to shoot a more sporting discipline (lightweight sport rifle at 20/25yd with optical sights for example) a decent sporting springer will do you well. Tbh you do get what you pay for and I suspect you're optimistically pandering to your naivety by kidding yourself into thinking that "all rifles shoot straight".

    This is absolutely not the case. By default springers are nasty, crude, unforgiving and inaccurate monstrosities - it takes care, attention to detail and skill to create one that's a pleasure to shoot. Cutting corners on the cost of a springer will mean a much less capable gun; poor accuracy, low muzzle energy, unrefined firing behavior and horrible triggers are all par for the course for entry level springers.

    IMO the best value cheapo springer is (as above) the Hatsan 55s / 60s - these have great triggers for the money. I hear the Stoegers have a decent rep for the money too, but have not used one. Moving up the Weihrauch HW99s is a decent gun (but not without its faults) and personally the lowest I'd go would be the HW95ks, and ideally an Air Arms TX200.

    I know some will disagree, but I'd advise against wasting your time on any of the really cheap stuff - SMK and Gamo are quite simply rubbish (the former less-so if you're prepared to forsake the warranty and fettle it yourself), avoid BSA as they're rebadged Gamos, Webley as they're rebadged Hatsans (with an elevated price tag), while the crop of other Spanish and Yankie (Chinese) stuff is uninspiring at best, and best avoided too.

    Of course if you really want to be competitive, a PCP is the way forward ;)
     
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  4. Andrew.

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    Thanks for the info Cloverleaf.....Very interesting read and very helpful.

    I do however already own a AirArms S400f on a Ginb stock No FT-17 with Nikko Diamond Sportsman 10-50x60 Scope for my FT work. I just wanted to get a Springer that would hopefully show up some shooters that use high end springer's that have just followed the flow...
     
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    People use good springers for a reason! I would go with something mid range such as a springer from the HW range then get a good fixed mag scope like a 10x44 Viper for general target use.
     
  6. Andy-K2

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    Cloverleaf, that info should be in a book, very informative, knowledgable and well written.

    OP, Go for the TX200, its a rifle thats as near as good as any PCP and not badly priced secondhand.
     
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    Yes the TX200 was my first option before thinking maybe there is something out there which not equal in build but almost equal in accuracy for less the price.? Not sure where to get secondhand either...? Then there's the worry what's wrong with it for someone to give up such a good rifle.?
     
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    Build quality usually is the reason for good accuracy...you can get second hand guns on this forum,people sell guns to upgrade,stay with trends..they don't sell them because theres an issue.
     
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    Agreed, and to be honest if accuracy is your main aim (excuse the pun) then go with quality.... at least if you miss that perfect group you will know its you and not the rifle. :up:
     
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    See this is what I hear a lot of... TX200 & HW range being the best... Well yes they probably are I don't dispute it but something lower down in the price range must come close.?
     
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    Yes agreed Andy-K2 that you can be sure of...
     
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    Weihrauch HW57 ?

    It's a love or hate rifle - personally I have no problem with the op-up loading port; reminds me of my old Webley Eclipse.

    I bought one out of curiosity a while ago, fettled it and gave it to a mate who still has it and loves it to bits.

    It's a lightweight option as underlever rifles go. Not without its potential problems but easy to make into a very nice gun.

    You can scare up a clean and well looked after HW95 or an HW77 for not much money these days if you're patient.

    The HW99 is lovely in .22 but not as nice as the HW95 in .177 so the HW95 is the better bet out of the two.

    There's one in .177 right now with a Venom/V-Mach kit installed on *ahem* another well known forum for £200

    Before the HW97 came along everyone was winning everything with the HW77, and it's still an excellent platform to buy into. They can be picked up for a very reasonable price, they are easy to work on/with and the need very little to get them settled down.

    One of the best things you can do to settle any springer is just shoot it.

    A lot.

    If money is an issue (and let's face it, we're all being a bit more careful these days) then look for clean used examples and buy into a solid platform once.

    If you can't stretch to a good used Weihrauch then the Hatsan 55S is about the only inexpensive option I would even consider shortlisting.

    Either way, you may or may not need to invest in a scope and mounts if open sights aren't your thing, which brings a whole load of other variables into the mix and to make the best spend possible you really need to identify your requirements before even considering recommendations for a particular scope.

    Fixed mag might work or it could just be a bloody nuisance, especially taking your shorter ranges into account...

    One point worth mentioning is the superb fibre optic open sights the Hatsan 55S ships with. They make the factory offerings from other manufacturers (including Weihrauch) look like a box of crayons by comparison.

    Assemble a list of exactly what you intend doing as your primary shooting discipline(s) and then start drawing a list of requirements together and go from there. Until you know what you will be doing all you can expect are very generic suggestions.

    Based on the little information you provided I'd be on the prowl for a new Hatsan 55S at the lower end of the market or a clean, used HW77 or HW95 in .177

    Ironic that the cheaper of these options comes with by far the best open sights....

    Good luck finding a suitable solution :)
     
  13. Jasglo68

    Jasglo68 Its not about the size it’s where you put it !!

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    Hi
    I've had a HW30 .177 now for a week and it will easily punch a one hole group the site of a .22 pellet at 20yrds. I haven't had the chance to try it further yet but Im confident it will have no problem. It only runs at 7-8ft/lb but the firing cycle is so sweet :) and its under £200 !!!
     
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    Thanks for the information....

    My main reason for this springer would have been for international club competitions those being 10 & 25 meter target and also just general plinking.

    A new Hatsan 55s does sound to be a little rifle worth checking out even if it ends up being just for plinking. I've seen many reviews saying how much better they've got over the years and some reviews saying how accurate it's been on 30 yard grouping targets. For the money it's not much lost and may end up being a lot of fun.?
     
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    Sorry meant to say internal competitions not international.!! That would need something special.!!
     
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    If you really want a precision rifle for little money go for the Feinwerkbau 300s. Up to 40 meters it will compete with pcp's high end's- One hole at 20 meters sitting with rest.
     
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    the hw98 is a great rifle and very accurate just another one to add to the mix
    atb
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    Another vote for the Feinwerkbau 300S from me. I may even buy one myself someday, although if you want supreme accuracy that's reasonably affordable, you're probably better off going for a SSP rifle like a Walther LGR, Feinwerkbau 600 series or Anschutz Super Air, but these are much harder to come by. The cheapest current competitive rifle I can think of is the Air Arms MPR10M. ;)
     
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  19. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    There is of course one SMK that is like rocking horse manure to find, as it was essentially a TX200 with noodles and egg fried rice.

    The BAM B40!

    This was an SMK that was good, very good, very very good. However Air Arms took exception to their copying their gun and fought a court case (which they won despite the TX 200 being a copy of another gun) which ensured that the import of the B40 into this country ceased!
     
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