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Being ready to fire

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Scope.22, Apr 24, 2014.

  1. Scope.22

    Scope.22 Engaging Member

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    Hi all, relatively new to this...

    Something I was thinking about, when hunting and you're not sure you're going to get a shot, do you have your barrel broken ready to insert a pellet, or wait with a pellet already insterted? Say if a pellet was already inserted and you'd just need to pump, if you didn't get a shot, would you pump then fire to discharge rather than leave the pellet in the barrel? I'm guessing it isn't a good idea to leave the pellet in the barrel, not just for safety reasons alone?
     
  2. mattyts

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    My Ultra allows me to have a pellet in the barrel but not have the gun cocked so I can 'prime' the gun when ready,I then discharge my gun before leaving the permission.

    With springers,I just cock,load and flick the safety on,discharging the gun when leaving.
     
  3. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    If a pellet is in the barrel then the gun counts as being loaded. So illegal to have in a public place!
     
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    Actually the 2003 (I think) amendment doesn't make a distinction between loaded and unloaded on an air rifle. If you haven't got a valid reason to have it in a public place.

    Anyway, on your permission, keep it cocked loaded and ready (safety on if present), but you have to work on your gun handling safety. Never point the barrel in an unsafe direction even if it unloaded, or you think it is. Discharge or decock if you are climbing over things!
     
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  5. secretagentmole

    secretagentmole Low down, dirty and quiet...

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    Trust me there is a hell of a distinction between having a loaded gun in a public place as opposed to having an unloaded gun in a public place. Why do you think you are supposed to empty all magazines of pellets in a PCP before transporting it? Why? Because if a pellet is in the magazine it counts as being loaded and you have a loaded weapon in a car!
     
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    I fully agree with Moley on this!!!
     
  7. Clubshot

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    Check BASC or Local Fire Arms Web site for it in Writing

    VCR Act coveres a Air Gun in a Public Place or being Transported without a Valid reason

    BOB/R
     
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    All perfectly true, and it would be easier to explain/have a valid reason for an unloaded gun rather than a loaded one. But the law doesn't actually make a distinction.
     
  9. r10hunter

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    You are fine just to remove the magazine from the gun there is no need to empty pellets out of the mag for it to be classed as unloaded.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    Air rifles code of practise "Revised revised July 2013 in association with ACPO" clearly states -

    Whenever you are in a public place you should carry the

    rifle in a gun cover and always ensure that it is unloaded

    and not cocked.

    Link :- http://basc.org.uk/cop/air-rifles-code-of-practice/
    Then on there you can download the full version on PDF.



     
  11. r10hunter

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    Like you say you are going to struggle to find a valid reason why you are in a public place with a loaded gun.

    I am sure the police will see a loaded and an unloaded airrifle every differently.
    It's a little strange the way the law is worded now isn't it.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    Know what you mean, the police now view Air Guns the same as Licenced fire arms, quote below from Code of practice for Air guns:_

    The law makes no distinction between air rifles and more
    powerful guns for which you need a licence – they are all classed as firearms. This means that any offence you commit
    can carry a very heavy penalty – and there are at least 38
    different offences. Following this code will help you to keep on
    the right side of the law, but, if you have any doubt, seek
    advice from BASC (www.basc.org.uk) or your local police
    firearms licensing department.
     
  13. oliver13

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    When I'm hunting the gun is cocked & loaded with the safety on unless it's the Airsporter or similar which doesn't have one, when I'm moving the barrel is kept downwards & if I don't have a shot I decock it or shoot into the ground, I have disabled the occasional anti-bear trap over the years to allow full control over the weapon, the risks are obvious & that's up to you.

    At present I have my eye on a rabbit that's colonised a neighbours garden, they are keen gardeners & just got their vegetables in so are very keen to see it's demise. At present it laagers up during the day between 2 old timbers & I could get an easy shot if I took it from the road, but I suppose I would have to get a permission from the Council to do that & I just can't face the hassle - risk assessments, jumping through hoops etc. etc. so I'll just have to wait until it's up & about & get it then. In the last couple of weeks it seems to be extending it's range & has turned in our garden 3 or 4 times, it's days are numbered...
     
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    Where in the original post is "public place " mentioned???
     
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    Yes your right :)
     
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    Problem with road side shooting is as follows:-
    It is also against the law, in England and Wales, to fire an air rifle
    within 50 feet of the centre of a highway (which consists of or comprises a carriageway)


     
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    I don't think it's entirely illegal,its against the law if doing so would alarm,endanger or cause harm to a person using the highway;

    If your garden is within 50feet of a public right of way its illegal to shoot if your shooting causes a user of said public right of way to be injured, interrupted or endangered.
     
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    I don't so I would stick to the 50 feet rule, but I di think you may very be right thou.

     
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    Should have said as follows, edit would not allow me to change (bloody pc lol).

    I don't know so "I" would stick to the 50 feet rule, but I do think you may very well be right thou.
     
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    Loaded and ready to fire when stalking; loaded with safety engaged when moving around on private land; unloaded before leaving private land.
     

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