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Beginner Question: Scope and Parallax

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by nheather, Feb 24, 2008.

  1. nheather

    nheather Well-Known Member

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    My 13yo son and I shoot with a BSA Meteor - plinking and target shooting in the garden, nothing more serious.

    We would like to add a scope but I am a little bewildered by the choice.

    Given the type of shooting and the rifle we use, I was hoping to keep the price to £50 or below including mounts.

    From what I can tell, this means a fixed parallax scope. I understand the science of parallax but I'm not entirely certain what it means in practice. For instance, I have seen scopes which are factory set at 35 yards - we shoot at less than this, so does this mean that the scope will be inaccurate?

    What is the benefit of having a bigger objective lens (32mm, 40mm 50mm etc.). I assume that it will give a brighter picture but is that it?

    Also, what about zoom. The scopes that I have been looking at are typically 4-9x - is that a good range to go for?

    Would I be best going for a single piece mount, given the rifle is a springer?

    And finally, there seems to be more and more illuminated scopes? What is the benefit of these? ARe they gimmicks or are they becoming the norm?

    I'd appreciate any advice or guidance.

    Thanks in advance,

    Nigel
     
  2. Andy

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    Just had a look on JSR and they are doing a [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif] Nikko Stirling Gold Crown Airking Mil Dot 3-9x42 WA PX Adj Scope + 1 Piece Mount for £44.95
    http://www.jsramsbottom.com/cgi-bin/jsr.cgi/dynamiclink?a=1&b=0&z=0&aP=0&source=/SM/SM_nikko_all.HTM

    [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif]Here's a review http://site.airgundepot.com/blog1/2007/04/nikko_stirling_39x42_ao.html

    [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, MS Sans Serif]The scope is spring gun rated, PX adjustable (Basically a focus ring) that allows you to focus down to 5 yards.
    A scope that is PX set to 100 yards would have a blurry sight picture at 20 yards.
    Illuminated reticules are for shooting in low light conditions dawn/dusk just make it easier to see your reticule.

    The above scope i would say is ideal for your budget.
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  3. nheather

    nheather Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the tip off.

    Seems almost too good to be true, especially as JSR import their own scopes

    So how come JSR sell the Nikko Stirling for less than their own brand - is it a reflection on the quality?

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
  4. Andy

    Andy Administrative Staff Member Founder

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    Don't know how he does it, but the nikko brand have been around for a long time.
    I have owned a nikko diamond and a nikko nighteater although higher priced than the gold crown they were excellent scopes, i only sold them to fund buying a daystate airwolf. :)
     
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    Thanks again - just ordered one.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
  6. a1gunner

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    zoom= how big you make the target (you may think this makes hitting it easier but it shows wabble more)

    paralax= where the scope is tuned to show a clear picture.

    iluminated reticule= not really handy for plinking, used for low light shooting and lamping

    large objective lenses= how much light they gather, i have a 50mm objective lens but i shoot in low light situations, for plinking you will probably do it in broad daylight so no need to get a monster scope

    enjoy your new scope

    any problems or questions you know where we are;)
     
  7. nheather

    nheather Well-Known Member

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    Arrived this morning - next day delivery even though I used the free P&P option.

    Very impressed with the service. The scope looks very nice too though I need to wait to the weekend for some daylight hours to try it out.

    Thanks for the advice.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
  8. a1gunner

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    yep daylight helps:p

    have fun, your welcome to add to other posts too by the way dont be a stranger;)
     
  9. nheather

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    Just had another look at the scope and I've noticed the distance scale on the focus ring is loose. It pushes neatly on but moves easily on the zoom ring. I can see the dried glue where it was fixed but the joint has obviously broken.

    It seems like quite a lot of bother to send it back for replacement if it can be glued back on.

    What should I do - return it or glue it back on myself?

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2008
  10. sharpshooterpete

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    id send it back because if you glue it, and something else goes wrong with the scope they could get abit funny if there are clear signs you have tampered with it.

    pete.
     
  11. nheather

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    Yep, wise words.

    I've tried ringing JSR but either get 'no answer' or a message 'mobile phone is switched off'.

    Will try sending an email.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
  12. nheather

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    Very nice email back from JSR sent quickly by return.

    More than happy to accept the return, provide a replacement and refund my return postage.

    Excellent service indeed.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
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    they are good i bought a pair of flip ups cope covers from them and they broke, the took them back and replaced them even though i had painted them cammo colour:D
     
  14. nheather

    nheather Well-Known Member

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    I feel such an idiot!

    I got a Nikko Stirling 3-9x42 for my BSA Meteor from JSR. When it arrived I noticed it was slightly damaged.

    JSR were fantastic and asked me to return it straight away for replacement. I did this without any further checks.

    The replacement arrived today and all excited I got my Meteor out to fit the scope. It was when I offered the mount upto the dovetail that I noticed the fatal flaw.

    With the scope mount as far back in the dovetail as it will go, the front of the scope stops the breech from opening. I did some measurements and even if I moved the scope as far back on the mount as possible the front will still foul the breech. The scope is physically too big for my meteor.

    I now have to return it for refund.

    I could kick myself for not checking when I had the first one and I feel bad for messing JSR about.

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     
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    Would it have worked just with taller scope mounts??
     
  16. nheather

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    Taller scope mounts - possibly, just.

    Rear dovetail to breech = 190mm

    Rear of mount to front of scope (normal, central fitting) = 210mm

    Rear of mount to front of scope (scope back as far as possible) = 198mm

    So even with the scope pushed back as far as possible I still need to find another 8mm.

    Also in this position the eypiece is way back towards the butt which will make the firing position (eye relief) awkard.

    I think I need to face the fact that the scope is physically too big for the Meteor.

    I think this is the omen that I need to ugrade my rifle ;)

    Cheers,

    Nigel
     

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