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Before Buying Privately

Discussion in 'Anything Airgun Related' started by Pete2, Jun 20, 2019.

  1. Pete2

    Pete2 Engaging Member

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    I'm off to look at and hopefully buy a rifle on Saturday.
    I plan taking the chrono and a scope (rifles being sold without a scope).
    My intention is to fit the scope and take a few test shots over the chrono.
    Firstly to check the output/consistency and secondly to make sure the barrel isn't bent.
    Am I going over the top?
    I don't think so, especially as its 700 beer tokens.
    Thoughts folks?
    Do you take precautions or just stump up the cash?
     
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  2. That hurts

    That hurts Barely Active

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    Sensible approach to take as many precautions as possible - if the seller refuses any reasonable requests, walk away :up:
     
  3. Josh K

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    Most reasonable sellers would allow you to do this, providing there is somewhere to do it safely.
     
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    Sounds fair to me. Dont need a scope to fire over the chrono though.

    Not sure you’d find a bent barrel just by doing that either?

    Personally though, it’s a bit like buying used cars, you’re buying the seller as much as the gun. You need to comfortable they’re honest and disclosing everything. If not, walk away even if the gun seems good.
     
  5. number10

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    I would let them know that you intend to do that before you travel, if it is far away. You may as well know if they are going to refuse so that you don't waste time.
     
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    Having said that I recently bought a gun without doing any of that as I didn’t have a chrono and I just fired 1 test shot.

    I did chrono that gun last night having bought one, and it’s spot on.

    The seller just seemed very genuine so I took a risk and bought it. Helped that it was a great price (though still a lot of money)
     
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    Perfectly reasonable, especially considering the cost involved
     
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    I don't think you can be over-cautious tbh. Ultimately it's your knowledge / commitment / determination / observation versus the seller's facilities and tolerance for having their gun poked, prodded and pulled to bits :p

    If the facilities exist I'd always chrono the gun as straight away it gives you a haggling point if it's not right. Accuracy testing is always a great idea if possible as a growing number of guns seem to be suffering in this area and sorting it can be an expensive, time consuming lottery.

    All that plus a good once-over (out of the stock if possible) after doing your homework on that model should greatly improve your chances of not buying a turkey :)
     
  9. Farty

    Farty Totty GURU

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    Quite to often sellers DO NOT disclose all the pit falls of the rifle....

    And never do a deal in a car park such as what I did !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    My latest purchase had a quite a few issues barrel port had been drilled out and the valve stem was sticking,
    and a leaking reg. Just had the gun serviced that's how I know it had these issues, the guy who serviced the
    rifle turned the barrel around to get the best from it ( all barrels are bent ) and now there are deep scratches on top
    of the barrel in visual site :facepalm:!!!!!!!!! the scratches were under unseen!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    What rifle is it? If we knew then maybe someone could advise on what to keep an eye out for on that particular type of rifle
     
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    Cash gives many options the seller has just the gun. Thankfully, with a few exceptions, there are many genuine sellers about. All my guns are second hand and the savings have covered the cost of replacement parts, TBT kits etc. Now that I have a chrony I take it with me, together with an assortment of pellets.
    Recently, on this forum, guns have been sold offering exceptional value for money. Buying from an established forum member is probably the safest way of all.
     
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    Just make sure he has the facility to do this - 10m is no use to test a modern PCP:thumb:
     
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    As others have said, this all sounds good.

    Maybe take a safe back stop (box full of rags, argos catalogue etc) just so you provide all of the necessary items to carry out a test.

    I also like the idea than @number10 said, tell them that you need to do this.
    If there is anything dodgy, this might save you wasting your time/money.

    Good luck
     
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    Another thought if you intend to test if the rifle is accurate and groups correctly you’ll need to zero the scope first. Not sure about you but it takes me a while to do this, so perhaps ask the seller to leave his scope on till you’ve done this?

    Taking off a scope will surely be faster than fitting and zeroing yours.
     
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    Very sensible and the minimum I would think... A couple of years back I responded to an ad on Freeads for an Artemis P10 and spoke with the chap at length before agreeing to meet. I asked if he could mount a scope so that I could take a few test shots and he agreed. He phoned me about half hour before we were due to meet asking if we could meet at the local park (car park) and I declined reminding him that I wanted to test the rifle. He told me he was en route to an emergency call at work so couldn't meet at his house. I told him thank you but the deal was off. Ten minutes later he calls me and says that he's managed to arrange for someone else to attend work and the original plan to meet at his house was back on so he now had a clear schedule. I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt and met him at his house. Nice enough chap if a touch over friendly and accommodating but oh no, he had sold the scope that very morning so had no scope which which to test the rifle! But I was welcome to test the rifle in the garden anyway. Not to worry I reassured him, for I have brought my own scope. I asked for some pellets and wouldn't you know it, he had sold those too! I noted two more rifles in a cabinet and commented on how lovely they were and asked about the calibre etc (these had scopes mounted). Those were his pride an joy and he had some range time booked in for tomorrow which he was very much looking forward to. As luck would have it, both were of the same calibre (.177) as the P10 he was selling! But no, he was completely out of pellets and had to buy more when he had the time... By now I am of course put off but I press on. I tell him that approximately 10 minutes drive from him was the West London Shooting School which also sells airguns and pellets etc so I offered to go and purchase some and offered to take him with me so that he could stock up for his range session the following day. But no, he was in a terrible rush and had to leave soon! Needless to say I declined to proceed any further (I really should have taken some pellets along with me for the hell of it). As I'm about to get back in the car he has the audacity to brand me a complete time waster! I step back out and he ducks inside sharpish! Oh well, in total about an hour of my day wasted but a less sceptical person would probably have parted with the cash :facepalm:
     
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    Well anyone who buys a rifle privately without testing/trying it most be a complete fool. One must remember it's "Caveat Emptor", let the buyer beware. Buying anything privately you have little redress unless the seller deliberately/intentionally misleads you and then you have to prove that.
    The only possible exception may be if you were buying such a gun off a close friend and you knew the history of the gun and that there was nothing wrong with it. Otherwise no you must try before you buy unless you like the idea of possibly buying a 'pig in poke'.
    Besides if the seller is genuine they'll want you to try the gun so that both of you a satisfied that the gun is okay and that should a fault develop at a later date the buyer can't think that perhaps it was there at the time of the sale. if i was selling a gun privately i'd insist that the buyer tries it to satisfy both of us that the gun was okay and that later on if a fault developed the buyer couldn't try and say that the fault must have been there at the time of purchase.
     
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    Every gun I've bought has had a scope fitted to try it out, then the seller has whipped it off when I'm happy. Same when I've sold mine. Seems good manners.
     
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    An absolutely sensible approach, we saw recently what happens if you don’t take precautions, especially when buying from a private buyer, your not going over the top at all.

    Best of luck with the purchase.

    Best regards.
    Les.
     
  20. Unholy

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    You are being cautious and very sensible, any respectable seller would expect it and be ready to answer any questions and allow test firing in a sensible place of course.

    As a seller i would expect to see some form of ID, a receipt would be mandatory for both parties

    You would test a car before buying it so why not an air rifle.
     

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