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been asked to shoot fox's?

Discussion in 'Firearms Certificate (FAC) Guns' started by mattgriff88, Aug 3, 2013.

  1. sponge bob

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    i may be wrong but wouldn't a golf course be safer than a farm i.e when its closed it locked and secure were as a farm any one can wonder around!
     
  2. r10hunter

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    It all depends on the golf course obviously but I have shot foxes and rabbits on a good few golf courses and they have been used by the locals for everything!! once shut.

    Golf courses tend to be in more urban areas surrounded by houses not well fenced, and are thought of as public land by the locals.
    When you point out to someone they should not be there you get an ear bashing. At one course I shot on some of the houses had back garden gates opening on to the course even though the course was private.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    That's the good thing about 'FAC' air. Whilst it is no good for 'fox' issues, least when you are granted it, the certificate is approved as an open ticket straight away. Hopefully one day I to can move on up to the exciting prospect of bigger rifles. KB1
     
  4. Jackroadkill

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    Mine isn't. Wish it was, but it's closed at the moment.
     
  5. ths

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    Depends on the force in question and the FEO you get :)

    223 isn't too much gun for someone first getting in to FAC, if the ground is safe and you have a need i.e. you have been asked to clear foxes then these are the requirements for obtaining an FAC. If you have been out with other powder burner users then mention this and give names etc for them to contact.

    People seem to forget that a safe shot shouldn't be dependent on calibre, if it is safe then it is safe and you shouldn't be taking liberties just because its only a 17hmr or 22lr etc as that is a very slippery slope.

    Talk to your FEO and explain what you are looking to do as he/ she will give you answers rather than opinions like on here.

    My local golf course is cleared upto 243 as nothing bigger is required to deal with long range bunnies and foxes (deer are out as course is open daylight hours).

    BASC insurance will cover you'd and I'd hope you are a member all ready for insurance purposes as you are shooting on someone else's property even though its with an air gun.

    But in short, apply and see what happens as it could be between 2-6 months, make sure you also apply for your shotgun license at the same time as its only a rennet more :)
     
  6. Jackroadkill

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    This.
     
  7. r10hunter

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    In my opinion there are no safe shots every shot carries a degree of risk. You never know how that bullet could ricochet in some bizarre way.

    The less power you have behind that bullet the better. Especially on a golf course where you just can't see if anyone is around.

    Do I think .22 hornet would be safer than .223 on a golf course yes for sure but .17 hmr would be safer still if allowed for foxes in that county.

    I have shot a load of foxes on a golf course with .22 lr subs and shotgun they are not like country foxes they are very easy to shoot.
    Would I shoot a powder burner on a golf course these days. Not a chance.
    Cheers Andy
     
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    You are looking at "several" months wait with South Wales police i'm afraid.
     
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    You should investigate that, I am sure my 'FEO' when visiting me, stated that it was new legislation about all 'fac' applications for air, were now to be issued as open tickets. You may be pleasantly surprised. KB1
     
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    only because the police want the responsibility pushed on to the shooter for safety,

    I think they will try and make all FAC's open soon, that way the responsibility is with you not the police.
     
  11. mattgriff88

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    Thanks for the replys.

    I understand this is not going be be a quick process but I would like to get the ball rolling.

    I think my best bet would be to join a gun club and learn about firearms before I just dive in head first on a permission with little knowledge.

    But I would still like to have a little knowledge before I go to a gun club so I sort of know what im talking about.

    The golf course in question is very quiet... there is no chance there would be anyone tresspassing as its miles away from the nearest village and no houses around the area.

    The course is built on a mountain in a shape of a bowl almost with loads of hills so plenty of backstops, I would class it as a very safe place to shoot.

    The owner has had people shoot on there before me and they used to shoot foxes with rifles so im assuming they either had a open license or that land was cleared so i think all will be fine hopefully.

    I have done a little research online and it seems the most popular calibre for foxes is .223
    All though I also want to take rabbits so what calibre would you recommend for both rabbits and foxes?

    Cheers
     
  12. ths

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    22lr is ideal for rabbits out to 100m (and further if conditions and the shooter is right). However 223 is an ideal long range bunny calibre all though some FEO's are funny and use this silly term "overkill" when people talk about using centre fires on anything smaller than a fox but in reality dead is dead :)

    Check with South Wales and see what they look too as the "minimum" calibre for foxes as if its 17HMR or 22WMR then these rimfires would be ample for both rabbit out to a few hundred yards and foxes around the 100 yards mark.

    If you ring the local firearms department and give them the address of the site they will tell you what it is cleared for as this may also help in your application.

    All the best with your application.
     
  13. Sako 30-06

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    Get yourself a 22-250 foxes will be a thing of the past awesome round, very fast 4000ft per sec.:up:
     

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